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View Poll Results: What are your thoughts on the Flames CalgaryNext presentation? (select multiple)
Get digging, I love it all! 259 37.27%
Too much tax money 125 17.99%
Too much ticket tax 54 7.77%
Need more parking 130 18.71%
I need more details, can't say at this time 200 28.78%
The city owns it? Great deal for Calgary 110 15.83%
Need to clean up this area anyway, its embarassing 179 25.76%
Needs a retractable roof 89 12.81%
Great idea but don't think it will fly with stake holders 69 9.93%
Why did it take 2 years to come up with this? 161 23.17%
Curious to see the city's response 194 27.91%
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Old 11-23-2015, 05:21 PM   #3361
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wait...what? You're being sarcastic right?
I don't follow. what is sarcasm?

The Province hasn't given a dime to Edmonton for the arena.

I do not see a Provincial Government giving funds for the purpose of building the rink without Edmonton claiming the same money for something.

I don't see the NDP sending money this way, nor would i expect the WRP to.
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But you're forgetting that the whole purpose of the Fieldhouse is to have a centralized location for both dryland, field and track training. A place where the athletes don't have to lift in one spot, jump on the bus and travel to the track.
Well, no, that's one purpose of the fieldhouse. The whole purpose of the fieldhouse was to replace the existing facilities at Foothills with a new building that, yes, would have a track in it. And a field, and volleyball/basketball/badminton courts, and fitness facilities, and multipurpose rooms (yoga studios, ancillary fitness spaces, etc), and three swimming pools, and two sheets of ice to replace Father David Bauer and Norma Bush.

And of course the original plan was to build two of these: one at Foothills, one at Glenmore. The city didn't have the money for both, and the Calgary Multisport Fieldhouse Society advocacy group lobbied for the Foothills fieldhouse to be given preference over Glenmore. Which it got; the Community and Protective Services committee approved the redevelopment, in principal, at Foothills a couple years ago.

Except there's still no money for it.

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West Village works because of access to transit and bike pathways. Also centrally located.
Also needs hundreds of millions of dollars of environmental remediation, which would ideally be paid for by a community revitalization levy, which will never work if most of the footprint of the site is gobbled up by a fieldhouse (and an NHL arena) that the city owns and doesn't pay any property tax on...
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Please elaborate on this thought, would be interested to hear what in the hell you're talking about.
I'm talking about the 10% corporate tax rate under the PC's(the lowest in Canada) which the NDP want to raise to 12%. which is roughly the average rate throughout Canada.
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I'm talking about the 10% corporate tax rate under the PC's(the lowest in Canada) which the NDP want to raise to 12%. which is roughly the average rate throughout Canada.

The same corporate giveaways that contributed to Alberta having the lowest unemployment rate and highest growth rate in Canada, year after year? The ones that allowed the province to accumulate billions of dollars in public rainy day funds and remain debt-free? That has made Calgary one of the most liveable cities in the world, and one that people migrate to from all over Canada?

Ya you're right. Damn corporate giveaways. So glad that we're jacking corporate and personal tax rates, spending down the rainy day fund and taking on a boatload of debt to fund operating expenses. That'll show those damn evil corporations!
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The same corporate giveaways that contributed to Alberta having the lowest unemployment rate and highest growth rate in Canada, year after year? The ones that allowed the province to accumulate billions of dollars in public rainy day funds and remain debt-free? That has made Calgary one of the most liveable cities in the world, and one that people migrate to from all over Canada?

Ya you're right. Damn corporate giveaways. So glad that we're jacking corporate and personal tax rates, spending down the rainy day fund and taking on a boatload of debt to fund operating expenses. That'll show those damn evil corporations!
Ya those, the are the positives to enriching corporations , but where do you draw the level playing field? I prefer to have the resources benefit ALL Albertans ,and if you have to drive a Lexus instead of a Ferrari , so be it.
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The same corporate giveaways that contributed to Alberta having the lowest unemployment rate and highest growth rate in Canada, year after year? The ones that allowed the province to accumulate billions of dollars in public rainy day funds and remain debt-free? That has made Calgary one of the most liveable cities in the world, and one that people migrate to from all over Canada?

Ya you're right. Damn corporate giveaways. So glad that we're jacking corporate and personal tax rates, spending down the rainy day fund and taking on a boatload of debt to fund operating expenses. That'll show those damn evil corporations!
Wait are you talking about the high price of Oil? If so yes, fully agree.
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Wait are you talking about the high price of Oil? If so yes, fully agree.

And how historically welcoming the province has been to entrepreneurs and business, which has led to us enjoying a very high quality of life, low unemployment and zero public debt.

SK is looking like a pretty attractive place to do business right now. Nothing stopping companies from moving there.
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And how historically welcoming the province has been to entrepreneurs and business, which has led to us enjoying a very high quality of life, low unemployment and zero public debt.

SK is looking like a pretty attractive place to do business right now. Nothing stopping companies from moving there.
I mean, you already derailed this thread real nice, but, you seem to ignore how King Ralph allowed public infrastructure to be run into the ground to enable that low taxation and corporate wellfare.
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I mean, you already derailed this thread real nice, but, you see to ignore how King Ralph allowed public infrastructure to be run into the ground to enable that low taxation and corporate wellfare.

Apologies, just sick of people slinging bs on the wall about "corporate giveaways" without any kind of thoughtful rationale. Just GMG. I'll head over to that thread.
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I'm talking about the 10% corporate tax rate under the PC's(the lowest in Canada) which the NDP want to raise to 12%. which is roughly the average rate throughout Canada.
So you're one of those people who think it's welfare if the government lets you keep some of your own money. Gotcha.

Maybe your provincial income taxes ought to be raised by 20%, too. Did you ever think of that? You welfare bum you.
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Old 11-24-2015, 03:08 PM   #3371
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so....

any news on the arena?
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So you're one of those people who think it's welfare if the government lets you keep some of your own money. Gotcha.

Maybe your provincial income taxes ought to be raised by 20%, too. Did you ever think of that? You welfare bum you.
Maybe they will be considering a province awash in resources is going into debt. The fact you can't wrap your head around it makes me believe you don't understand the basic principals of economics.

In fact, researchers found that when the top earners in society make more money, it actually slows down economic growth. On the other hand, when poorer people earn more, society as a whole benefits.
The researchers calculated that when the richest 20% of society increase their income by one percentage point, the annual rate of growth shrinks by nearly 0.1% within five years.
This shows that "the benefits do not trickle down," the researchers wrote in their report, which analyzed over 150 countries
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Old 11-24-2015, 04:21 PM   #3373
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Am a season ticket holder. Have been since the Flames moved to Calgary (am old but not that old, my dad had season tix in the Corral and then the Dome).

For cripes sake use some of the $3 billion in carbon taxes you are going to collect from us on account of a problem we contribute so little to (and am not for a moment convinced of the science behind climate change) towards a world class city-facility that we and our kids can all enjoy, to be amortized over our lifetimes.
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Maybe they will be considering a province awash in resources is going into debt. The fact you can't wrap your head around it makes me believe you don't understand the basic principals of economics.
Alberta is going into debt because it has the highest per-capita program spending in the country. If you spend too much money, you eventually go broke. That basic enough for you?

By the way, the word is principles, and the accusation is a laugh. You might try finding out who you're arguing with before accusing them of total ignorance.

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In fact, researchers found that when the top earners in society make more money, it actually slows down economic growth. On the other hand, when poorer people earn more, society as a whole benefits.
The researchers calculated that when the richest 20% of society increase their income by one percentage point, the annual rate of growth shrinks by nearly 0.1% within five years.
This shows that "the benefits do not trickle down," the researchers wrote in their report, which analyzed over 150 countries
Citation, please. There are a lot of bogus economic studies published by political think tanks with big fat axes to grind, and frankly, this sounds like one of them.
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so....

any news on the arena?
Nope.
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so....

any news on the arena?
I doubt we'll hear much until after the environmental assessment report comes back in April.
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I doubt we'll hear much until after the environmental assessment report comes back in April.
Oh good, us Flames fans should be in a great mood for more news then
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David Staples talking about the Edmonton arena:

http://edmontonjournal.com/opinion/c...downtown-arena

Staples has long been a proponent of the Edmonton Arena deal so, surprise surprise, he thinks its a win.

What amazes me about the Edmonton deal is the complete shaft the City of Edmonton received on it. Katz raked them over the coals:

Owners group: 17.19 million (!) for the arena, plus $112.81 in rent over 35 years
CRL: 232 million
Ticket tax: 125 million
Parking + business taxes (???): 80 million (I don't know what this is)
Land: City purchased from Katz Group for 25 million (!!!)

Also, isn't there still a 125 million gap the Edmonton wants from the Prov. Government? ultimately the city will fill that hole too.

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The difference between Edmonton and Calgary is that Edmonton badly needed that arena to kickstart the redevelopment of that area.

It is very much debatable if CalgaryNext is needed at all to develop the West Village.
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The difference between Edmonton and Calgary is that Edmonton badly needed that arena to kickstart the redevelopment of that area.

It is very much debatable if CalgaryNext is needed at all to develop the West Village.

Or whether the West Village needs to be developed at all within the next 20 years. That's what's so bananas, we're not even sure that area needs to be developed, there are plenty of other desirable spaces that need to be filled in beforehand (East Village, Vic. Park)
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