Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

Well if there really is an "elite 4", then many teams will want to know what it would take to move up. Might be bit of a seller's market. Whether it's worth it for the Flames or any other team depends entirely on the price.

If we could get it done with our 6th overall and any roster player over 25 I'm all for it.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Would ~#29 and ~#24 get you something between #10-#13?

I would love to leave this draft with one of Monahan/Lindholm and Ristolainen.

I would love to leave the draft with one of Moanahan/Lindholm and Nichushkin. The Flames need to take some risks - they are too thin in overall assets to just rely on a series of small good moves. They need to go big.

Find a way to make a good pick with your key first pick, and then make a choice almost purely on upside.

[Flamin' DBag]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

If I were the Flames I would not worry too much about moving up to 4 - rather I would try to upgrade one of the later picks to get to the 10-13 range.

Use the 6th pick for a quality prospect with a high chance of success - Lindholm or Monahan.

Use the 10-12 pick for a guy with immense ceiling how may drop - Shinkaruak (sp), Nishkushin (sp), etc.

The advantage of having multiple picks is the opportunity to swing for the fences on one of them.

I'd really like to see this as well, except with the flames targeting a defenseman with the 10-15 pick. Nurse could end up there, or maybe Zadorov?

[Caged Great]

Would you contact MacT up north and offer STL and Pit's 1sts + Giordano for #7?

[moon]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

The interest thing with Lindholm is that he's planning on staying Europe for another year. Some of these teams may want the help right away and avoid him. The Russian is under contract for two years and everyone seems to think he'll drop miles but it seems a non-factor with Lindholm.

I think that staying in Sweden has been seen to a. not affected a prospect coming over in the future and b. not really hindered their development.

With the KHL being a a much higher paid league and questionable coaching/development issues with Russia having a guy going over there is much more of a risk than the SEL.

[_Q_]

So if the Flames use the Pittsburgh pick to move up the draft, does the player drafted technically continue the Nilsson - Nieuwendyk - Iginla lineage?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Would you contact MacT up north and offer STL and Pit's 1sts + Giordano for #7?

No I think that's overpayment. Gio is one of the few leaders this team has. He is part of the solution.

I would add something to the St. Louis 1st to get #7. But I don't know what the Flames have that would be attractive.

How about St. Louis 1st+Broissot+Bill Arnold.

Beats me.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by _Q_

So if the Flames use the Pittsburgh pick to move up the draft, does the player drafted technically continue the Nilsson - Nieuwendyk - Iginla lineage?

Absolutely!

[nik-]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I would love to leave the draft with one of Moanahan/Lindholm and Nichushkin. The Flames need to take some risks - they are too thin in overall assets to just rely on a series of small good moves. They need to go big.

Find a way to make a good pick with your key first pick, and then make a choice almost purely on upside.

You would prefer the winger risk over the D man? I agree with your general approach, but I'd like to see a Nurse/Ristolainen/Zadarov taken with that second pick. A nice center and a solid D man would be a really nice draft for us.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by TheGrimm

For me it's no sure thing, but the Semin factor coupled with the fact that they have great C depth and the fact that he could be the best player in the draft.

They would have to take a hard look at him, but I could see them wasting another center on the wing as teams are wont to do.

Mad props for proper use of this. Well done, sir.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by nik-

You would prefer the winger risk over the D man? I agree with your general approach, but I'd like to see a Nurse/Ristolainen/Zadarov taken with that second pick. A nice center and a solid D man would be a really nice draft for us.

The Russian is a potential x-factor. The Flames can take advantage of the Russian factor to pick a guy below the slot he deserves on talent alone (assuming he falls).
It's the same way Wash got Kuznentzov, St. Louis got Tarasenko and NYR got Cherpanov (RIP).

The Flames need to make some game changing moves. They don't have enough assets in the organization to take a conservative approach.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

The Russian is a potential x-factor. The Flames can take advantage of the Russian factor to pick a guy below the slot he deserves on talent alone (assuming he falls).
It's the same way Wash got Kuznentzov, St. Louis got Tarasenko and NYR got Cherpanov (RIP).

The Flames need to make some game changing moves. They don't have enough assets in the organization to take a conservative approach.

I can really see Tampa or Carolina taking a chance on Nichushkin. I think he would be easily enticed to live in those cities as they are great places to be young and rich.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Would you contact MacT up north and offer STL and Pit's 1sts + Giordano for #7?

No.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I can really see Tampa or Carolina taking a chance on Nichushkin. I think he would be easily enticed to live in those cities as they are great places to be young and rich.

Yzerman has drafted 5 Russians the last two years, including 2 in the first round; obviously not scared away by the 'Russian factor'

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

Yzerman has drafted 5 Russians the last two years, including 2 in the first round; obviously not scared away by the 'Russian factor'

I think he'll be quite happy to take Drouin, instead of "side show bob"

[dammage79]

If anything, this will make for one of the more entertaining drafts in recent memory.
Lots of potential for movement everywhere (okay, except maybe the top three) in the first round. Deep draft with a plethora of strong candidates through out.

The Flames and Columbus are lucky this year to have three picks walking into June 30th.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Any interest in Ryan Pulock of the Brandon Wheat Kings with the STL pick?

big time don't think he'll be there but IMO the players I'd like to see the flames draft are
mantha rychel gauthier pulock hagg ristolainnen compher morin and mueller
any combo of 2 of those players plus monahan/lindholm and i will be a very happy camper

ideal
lindholm
pulock
rychel

exceptional
lindholm/monahan
pulock/mantha
hagg/gauthier/morin

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

The Russian is a potential x-factor. The Flames can take advantage of the Russian factor to pick a guy below the slot he deserves on talent alone (assuming he falls).
It's the same way Wash got Kuznentzov, St. Louis got Tarasenko and NYR got Cherpanov (RIP).

The Flames need to make some game changing moves. They don't have enough assets in the organization to take a conservative approach.

The guy has two years left in the KHL which makes him essentially a long term prospect. I don't think he's worth the Flames picking unless it's with their 2nd pick where they can afford to go high risk/reward.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The guy has two years left in the KHL which makes him essentially a long term prospect. I don't think he's worth the Flames picking unless it's with their 2nd pick where they can afford to go high risk/reward.

I don't mind the fact he's over there - that means you get him on his entry deal as a better player. Plus the Flames are going to suck for at least 2 years.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I don't mind the fact he's over there - that means you get him on his entry deal as a better player. Plus the Flames are going to suck for at least 2 years.

KHL development isn't AHL or North American development, IMO. It adds a layer of risk that isn't worth taking considering other available players. If it was a weak draft, maybe.