[Trade] Elias Lindholm + Noah Hanifin to Flames for D. Hamilton, Micheal Ferland, & Adam Fox

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Gaudreau did 80p in 40g.

Fox so far is 20p in 10g as a freaking dman. If you don't see why that's impressive and makes him a top d prospect league wide I don't know what to tell you.

It is impressive, but Robbob is right: the ECAC is not nearly as good a Division as Hockey East.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Gaudreau did 80p in 40g.

Fox so far is 20p in 10g as a freaking dman. If you don't see why that's impressive and makes him a top d prospect league wide I don't know what to tell you.

It is extremely impressive. Brian Rafalski comes to mind as a comparison, but he didn't even put up those kinds of numbers.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by ThisYear

The secret is out .... he'll return and sign with Calgary as a UFA.

After we lose Andersson to expansion we replace him with Fox and Fox goes on to win the Calder and hits 60 pts as a rookie

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Gaudreau did 80p in 40g.

Fox so far is 20p in 10g as a freaking dman. If you don't see why that's impressive and makes him a top d prospect league wide I don't know what to tell you.

You compared him to Gaudreau, can you explain why? Do you think he'll be as good or better? That's what I asked and you then went off on a tangent, arguing against things I never brought up.

[dammage79]

Meh. Don't really care anymore about Fox, as far as I am concerned we got full value and then some out of what we sent out. The team is better for it now and will be for a long long time.

And as great as Fox is doing in the NCAA, I think we can see that our youth coming up are going to be just fine.

The juice was so worth the squeeze.

Back to cheering on Lindholm and Hanifin. Man, those two are great aren't they?

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Gaudreau did 80p in 40g.

Fox so far is 20p in 10g as a freaking dman. If you don't see why that's impressive and makes him a top d prospect league wide I don't know what to tell you.

What that tells me is that it’s early in the season and a small sample size. Wonder what his actual defense play is like.

[GioforPM]

It's a lot of points. ECAC doesn't graduate a lot of NHL players though, and guys like Haggerty often pile up points but never make it.

[Jeff Lebowski]

While it may be true about the different college conferences(?) I gotta believe if Fox we’re still a CGY prospect people wouldn’t be qualifying his performance. He was a very good representing his country against the best in the world in his age group.

The trade has been incredible for CGY and Fox may end up a great player too. CGY has great scouts I guess.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

What that tells me is that it’s early in the season and a small sample size. Wonder what his actual defense play is like.

in addition his previous 2 seasons, he was about a point a game player... ie when the flames traded him

the question is whether this year was simply a hot start versus lesser competition, or whether this is an uptick that is part of his development curve.

At the end of the day, no one will know until a) he signs with Carolina and b) he's playing in the NHL.

Based on NHLe, the kid looks to be about a 45-50 point player in the NHL if his game carries over and this year isn't an aberration... a very good player, but not something the flames can't overcome considering their depth with young defensemen.

First rule of message boards, at a certain point in time, people won't budge from their positions, so arguing about it doesn't accomplish much...

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

While it may be true about the different college conferences(?) I gotta believe if Fox we’re still a CGY prospect people wouldn’t be qualifying his performance. He was a very good representing his country against the best in the world in his age group.

The trade has been incredible for CGY and Fox may end up a great player too. CGY has great scouts I guess.

I'm starting to take WJC performances with somewhat of a grain of salt as well.

I'm not sure what Fox's ceiling is. But I'm thinking Ellis.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I'm starting to take WJC performances with somewhat of a grain of salt as well.

I'm not sure what Fox's ceiling is. But I'm thinking Ellis.

Ellis ain’t bad.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Phagoof

Becoming known as a GM who fleeces other GM's isn't good. Tre is becoming that, at least in bigger trades.

Sorry, what? I think you mean being known as a GM who gets fleeced isn’t good... that must have been what you meant.

[Beninho]

Carolina was easy pickings for Treliving, they seem to have awful player management there along with a losing culture with zero fan base. It makes total sense that the 3 players they let go are having big years. Carolina let go a guy on pace for 50+ goals, a 21 year top 4 offensive Dman, and a player who could very well hit 70 pts. We were told Hanifin wasn’t a top 4 guy and Lindholm was a 40-50 pt guy. Boy did they give up two studs on 2 extremely reasonable contacts and let Skinner go for chump change. Oh and they let a good coach walk away too. Flames scouted the Hurricanes perfectly, while also having a coach that knew these two players very well. I understand maybe trading Hanifin because they have a solid D core but man did they ever #### up letting Lindholm go. Such a good 2 way player on just a sexy sexy contract. This trade looks better and better for the flames every passing week. Treliving nailed this one

[Huntingwhale]

Fox is a top prospect, no doubt. But currently he's also just that; a prospect. The Flames got back 2 core, impact players who play in the NHL on great contracts. The best league in the world that one day Adam Fox strives to play in. It's still early, but the Flames are trending to be one of the best teams in the league due to the acquisition of these 2 players.

If Fox was the price to pay so that your NHL team can be among the best for the foreseeable future, you make that trade 10/10.

[Monahammer]

I would trade Hamilton and ferland just for lindy with the way he is playing. The fact that we also got hanifin is amazing. Fox is immaterial.

[The Cobra]

There are lots of players that score heavily in college and juniors that aren't necessarily top prospects. In fact, Johnny wasn't a top prospect when he was drafted.

That's not to say that Fox isn't a good prospect, but experts haven't historically ranked him as elite.

But all this back-and-forth is really a waste of time.

Calgary has become a much better team due to this trade. And their contract structure on the players they received is much better going forward.

Whether Fox becomes a star or not for Carolina or any other team is largely irrelevant at this stage.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

While it may be true about the different college conferences(?) I gotta believe if Fox we’re still a CGY prospect people wouldn’t be qualifying his performance. He was a very good representing his country against the best in the world in his age group...

You would be wrong about that. Peruse the early pages of this thread and the prospect-ranking threads and you will see a lot of posters raise these two concerns about Fox’s game: 1) his average skating and size, and 2) the fact he plays in a weak NCAA conference. This is not new. There is a reason Fox was not drafted until the second round, and Flames fans have been cautiously optimistic for a while.

Fox is a really good prospect. He is not the best prospect the Flames have ever had, to say nothing of the fact that there were better players in the system at the time of the trade.



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[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

You would be wrong about that. Peruse the early pages of this thread and the prospect-ranking threads and you will see a lot of posters raise these two concerns about Fox’s game: 1) his average skating and size, and 2) the fact he plays in a weak NCAA conference. This is not new. There is a reason Fox was not drafted until the second round, and Flames fans have been cautiously optimistic for a while.

Fox is a really good prospect. He is not the best prospect the Flames have ever had, to say nothing of the fact that there were better players in the system at the time of the trade.



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3rd round pick* did I just correct Textcritic?

[Dan403]

Who/what is this Fax people keep talking about?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

There are lots of players that score heavily in college and juniors that aren't necessarily top prospects.