PGT: President-Elect Donald J Trump

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So how to you fix that? How do you legislate truth on the internet?

Exceptional question Cliff. I don't think you can legislate truth on the Internet. The problem actually isn't the lack of truth on the Internet, the problem is the lack of trust in the mass media. There needs to be major regulatory changes made to the provision of information and the ownership of those interests who provide that information.

Frankly, we need the return of the Fairness Doctrine. We need to claw back on media ownership and we need to break up the big corporations who own mass media. Ownership of mass media needs to go back to the local markets and there needs to be a regulation that requires a return local production and public interest in programming. I think that by doing so will bring back the public trust in mass media, especially if they are held to the standards of fairness and balance as outlined in the Fairness Doctrine. Once that trust is re-established it provides for trusted sources of credible information, meaning these fake news sites become marginalized and no longer relied upon. Another positive outcome of this would be the elimination of Talk Radio, which is the largest disinformation network in the United States.

Once the media has be re-regulated then we need to begin teaching people about media and media consumption. I think there should be media literacy classes at every level of education. Just like people need to learn how to think critically, they also need to learn how to consume media, recognizing good information from bad, and being able to discern information from misinformation and disinformation.

The final solution is great journalism, and tons of it. The news agencies need to stop promoting opinion. They need to present the facts and dive deep into subject matter so they can educate people once again. Someone else in this thread mentioned it, but every station down here needs a Fifth Estate type show. The closest thing we have is Vice, and they don't give enough time to issues either.

You bring these three things into play and you'll solve the problem of Internet bull#### having an impact on people.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The obvious answer would be that people saying stupid things on the internet aren't as big a problem as stupid people doing stupid things in the real world because they read stupid things on the internet.

That being said, pizzagate is pretty obviously libel and the guys who own that store should be basically suing those responsible for it into bankruptcy. Where did that story actually originate? Was it someone within the USA or someone in Eastern Europe being funded by the Russians? The latter is a bigger problem because there's no obvious remedy.

Pizzagate originated because of the Podesta emails. Internet Sleuths began pouring over the emails and linked some of the odd coded language that he used in his emails to popular Pedo lingo.

[ResAlien]

Yeah that's what he said, stupid people on the internet.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Pizzagate originated because of the Podesta emails. Internet Sleuths began pouring over the emails and linked some of the odd coded language that he used in his emails to popular Pedo lingo.

Yeah, I was looking for the "who dreamed up this obvious and transparent idiotic nonsense" answer, not the "here's how the heroes found out about this amazing conspiracy" answer. Thanks though.

[ernie]

Media is part of the problem as they've simply rid themselves of professional standards it seems. But they do it for ratings and that's the fault of the population.

It isn't that shocking...the prevalence of faux news coincides with the decrease in critical thinking among the public. And that's a full on reflection of the education system. We are and continue to graduate people who do not have critical thinking skills. They just accept everything they here as truth or more to the point have decided that facts are the same as beliefs.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yeah, I was looking for the "who dreamed up this obvious and transparent idiotic nonsense" answer, not the "here's how the heroes found out about this amazing conspiracy" answer. Thanks though.

It's probably a /pol/ or the_donald thread that originally started it. They had daily podesta email breakdown threads after each day wiki leaks released his emails and I imagine it came out of that and spiraled out of control. Given the volume of emails I highly doubt you could pin it on a single person.

I don't think there was ever a true champion of the movement though.

I should also add that I think people started using a lot of throwaway accounts because they were afraid of being 'killaried'.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Oh, I see what you're saying... but still, idiots analyzing e-mails for "evidence" of code words doesn't get you to a pizza joint with a physical address. Someone has to have actually made up this story. I guess given how ridiculous it sounds, the notion that it was sort of built by committee does make some sense. But I thought it was one of the stories posted on one of these fake news sites, like that "liberty free press" or whatever it's called that was reported on.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Oh, I see what you're saying... but still, idiots analyzing e-mails for "evidence" of code words doesn't get you to a pizza joint with a physical address. Someone has to have actually made up this story. I guess given how ridiculous it sounds, the notion that it was sort of built by committee does make some sense. But I thought it was one of the stories posted on one of these fake news sites, like that "liberty free press" or whatever it's called that was reported on.

Like 93 percent of Washingtonians, the restaurateur happened to support Ms. Clinton for president; he has some prominent Democratic friends, past and present. Mr. Alefantis’s name surfaced in leaked email from Mr. Podesta’s account, published by WikiLeaks, in which the two men discussed holding a Clinton fundraiser. As far as anyone knows, there is no more logic than that as to why Mr. Alefantis and his restaurant became targets.

Basically, it's a pizza place owned by someone in the emails. No other reason

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.2d7d32f6e39f

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So how to you fix that? How do you legislate truth on the internet?

You start with a skill testing question in order to access it.

Some suggestions...
Is Elvis alive?
Are you married to your brother/sister?
Do vaccines work? Do they cause autism?
Is climate change a global elitist conspiracy?

[CaramonLS]

Some of the emails Podesta sent were directly to James Alefindis(??) Or whatever his name is. It wouldn't be that hard to google him as that is all public info.

IIRC, some redditors were emailing those blogs trying to get them to pick the story up. I know there were threads on Reddit about trying to get media attention to the story.

I'd go back and look at the pizzagate sub to see if that is accurate, but it is gone now.

[ResAlien]

I'm sure 8chan can fulfill all your fabricated conspiracy theory needs.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

This isn't American politics, but it's related, and at least it's a reason to be cheerful this morning. The Austrian election featured a "Trump-alike"; a right wing populist xenophobe who was gaining a lot of steam. But having seen what happened with Brexit and Trump, the adults in the room actually turned out to vote - 75% of eligible voters, in fact. Apparently, he ran on "don't let it happen here", and won.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/.../?cmpid=PM1216

It's as if people have been reminded that if they want a democracy, they have to get involved (I sound like I'm quoting Obama now).

can't put into words what a relief this result has been. It was a bit unexpected to be honest, the right wing has been getting stronger for years now and after Trump and Brexit I wasn't exactly optimistic. Glad I was wrong! The good thing is that right wing support seems to have a clear plateau over here and the majority of the people are smarter than that. Just have to get them to the voting booth ... which really isn't a hard thing in Austria: unlike in the US, you don't have to register to vote - you are automatically registered if you're 16 or older. Plus voting really only takes a few minutes in our voting places.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I should also add that I think people started using a lot of throwaway accounts because they were afraid of being 'killaried'.

That was good thinking on their part. It's smart to use throwaway account because then nobody will be able know who you are when they want to kill you for spreading the story of your sex ring based in the underground Satan caverns beneath the pizza restaurant.

Just because Hillary can pull off this incredible devil sex kidnapping operation right under the nose of the national media doesn't mean that her pedophile maniac genius henchmen would be able to figure out who some guy on Reddit is.

All I know is that the guy who showed up at the pizza joint in question with his guns is lucky it was Sunday because on Sunday the devil worshipper child sex freaks are always sleeping in their golden coffins in preparation for the midnight sacrifice, and weren't there to take him out.

[photon]

Interesting read about the importance of the intelligence briefings and examples of the mistakes that were made in recent transitions of power. If those kinds of serious things can happen between experienced and prepared administrations...

And, on his first international trip to Mexico, President George W. Bush and his senior advisors were blindsided by the scope of “holdover” airstrikes against Iraq, conducted according to standard operating procedures established by Bill Clinton’s administration. Though nominally a routine operation to enforce the United Nations no-fly zones established after the First Gulf War, these strikes constituted the most extensive bombing in two years and hit 20 targets, including radars just outside Baghdad. According to Bob Woodward: “For a brief moment it had looked like the new Bush administration had launched a war against Saddam Hussein in its first month.”

These types of incidents can only be avoided through intelligence cooperation during the transition period. Obama has repeatedly offered to do everything in his power to facilitate a smooth transfer of power—but sharing intelligence, especially of the most sensitive national secrets, requires that President-elect Trump be a willing recipient.

http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...-trump/509621/

[CaramonLS]

There is a big cross over between the Pizzagate group and those who believe in a Clinton body count. So it really isn't too surprising.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

A Republican member of the Electoral College announced on Monday that he would not support Trump when the group meets later this month.

Chris Suprun, an elector from Texas, signed a pledge at the state Republican convention to support Trump. The pledge, however, is not legally binding.

Suprun says his job is to “elect a president, not a king.”

In an op-ed published in the New York Times, Suprun offered several justifications for his vote. Among them was Trump’s decision to retain ownership over his business empire, which will result in him receiving a stream of payments from foreign governments. As Suprun noted, such payments are prohibited by the Emoluments clause of the Constitution.

At current count, Trump has 306 pledged electors. That means if 36 electors come to the same conclusion as Suprun, Trump would lack the votes necessary to become president.

Suprun is encouraging his fellow electors to join him. “Electors of conscience can still do the right thing for the good of the country,” Suprun writes. He is not planning on supporting Hillary Clinton. Rather he thinks “electors should unify behind a Republican alternative.”

https://thinkprogress.org/presidenti...b63#.wnvz0x41j

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

https://thinkprogress.org/presidenti...b63#.wnvz0x41j

For a country that loves to tout its democracy, it sure doesn't look like much of a democracy sometimes.

[GGG]

They would need 37 as there is a guy from Washington who won't for for Hillary

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Yup. Although those recounts are happening too, right? Who knows, maybe a state flips. Probably not though.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by GGG

They would need 37 as there is a guy from Washington who won't for for Hillary

The guys not voting for Trump wouldn't be voting for Hilary either. The point of it would be to get him to where he'd have fewer than 270 Electoral Votes at which point the Congress would be tasked with electing the President, with each state delegation getting one vote. Not that this would ever really happen. And if it did, Trump would just get elected since the Congress would have to choose from one of Trump or Clinton.