2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors v2

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by AC

Fleury has a NMC, has to be protected.

Has the league stated that, or the nhlpa?


Or is that just speculation at this point?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

MacDonald on the other hand is still a ? looking like a miss.

Way to early to say he's looking like a miss. He had a pretty solid year. I guess you'd say the WJC were a disappointment but there were a lot of tipped goals. I thought Blackwood looked even worse frankly. I don't think his year overall was a disappointment. Way too early to judge him, we'll have to see him in pro.

One year Ortio was a write off. Then a year later he was one of our better prospects. It's foolish to say too much one way or another before he's even played pro.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Has the league stated that, or the nhlpa?


Or is that just speculation at this point?

NHL, NHLPA set expansion draft rules; must protect no-move clauses (Report)


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...153933538.html

[AC]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Has the league stated that, or the nhlpa?


Or is that just speculation at this point?

Not official, but:

gary lawless @garylawless
More #nhl expansion draft info. sources indicate no-moves must be protected by teams. no-trade clauses not exempt and can be left exposed.

[Mister Yamoto]

I would think that unless someone steps up with an offer that they can't refuse the Penguins will just roll with Fleury and Murray next year.

Having two solid goalies might be a better option than trading one for a C level prospect in the hopes of putting yourself in a better position for a hypothetical expansion draft.

[TheScorpion]

wrong thread

[_Q_]

Yeah there's no reason whatsoever for the Penguins to make a move this off season. Roll with your two guys and then reassess before the expansion draft next season.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Yeah there's no reason whatsoever for the Penguins to make a move this off season. Roll with your two guys and then reassess before the expansion draft next season.

No reason except for that the longer they wait the more clogged up the goalie market is likely to get. They aren't the only team with a solid tandem who is going to need to move one out or risk losing the other for nothing.

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Yeah there's no reason whatsoever for the Penguins to make a move this off season. Roll with your two guys and then reassess before the expansion draft next season.

Fully agree. I think they will make Murray their full time back up and give him a fair bit of work next season, to properly assess wether he is a true long term replacement for Fluery or not. Or perhaps they do it to boost his trade value. Either way, I think they wait for as long as possible before making a move on this front.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

No reason except for that the longer they wait the more clogged up the goalie market is likely to get. They aren't the only team with a solid tandem who is going to need to move one out or risk losing the other for nothing.

But how many other teams have a hot shot backup like Pittsburgh? I don't know it seems as though the Penguins situation is unique.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by _Q_

But how many other teams have a hot shot backup like Pittsburgh? I don't know it seems as though the Penguins situation is unique.

There are quite a few goalie tandems around the NHL where if one of them is left unprotected he's likely to get claimed in the expansion draft IMO.

Vasilevskiy and Bishop in Tampa
Elliot and Allen in St Louis
Andersen and Gibson in Anaheim
Mason and Neuvirth in Philly
Varlamov and Pickard Colorado
Bobrovski and Korpisalo in Columbus

The Isles have Halak, Greiss and Berube to think about.
The Caps will protect Holtby, but Grubauer has looked good, maybe they trade him for an asset rather than lose him for nothing.


The goalie market is very soft IMO, and the longer teams wait the more they risk losing a good goalie for nothing.

[Lanny_McDonald]

To add to the whole goaltending argument, the following of the top 50 goaltending prospects, as identified by by an independent source specific to goaltending, are in their 3rd year professional contracts and will require protection in the upcoming draft.

1. Connor Hellebucyk (WPG)
2. Malcom Subban (BOS)
5. Matt Murray (PIT)
11. Phoenix Copley (STL)
13. Anton Forsberg (CBJ)
17. Anthony Stolarz (PHI)
24. Kristers Gudlevskis (TPA)
29. Laurent Brossoit (EDM)
30. McKenzie Skapski (NYR)
31. Oskar Dansk (CBJ)
33. Jordan Binnington (STL)
41. Magnus Hellberg (NYR)
42. Andrey Makarov (BUF)

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by New Era

To add to the whole goaltending argument, the following of the top 50 goaltending prospects, as identified by by an independent source specific to goaltending, are in their 3rd year professional contracts and will require protection in the upcoming draft.

1. Connor Hellebucyk (WPG) Protected
2. Malcom Subban (BOS) Unprotected
5. Matt Murray (PIT) Protected
11. Phoenix Copley (STL) Unprotected
13. Anton Forsberg (CBJ) Unprotected
17. Anthony Stolarz (PHI) Unprotected
24. Kristers Gudlevskis (TPA) Unprotected
29. Laurent Brossoit (EDM) Unprotected
30. McKenzie Skapski (NYR) Unprotected
31. Oskar Dansk (CBJ) Unprotected
33. Jordan Binnington (STL) Unprotected
41. Magnus Hellberg (NYR) Unprotected
42. Andrey Makarov (BUF)Unprotected

Only Murray and Hell will be protected imo.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Only Murray and Hell will be protected imo.

Really? All of those players will be in their third professional season. Why the difference?

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by New Era

Really? All of those players will be in their third professional season. Why the difference?

Goalies in front of them. I don't think Rask/Rinne/Bobrovsky/Lundqvist/Elliot/Allen/Talbot/Mason/Vis/Lehner will be left unprotected.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Goalies in front of them. I don't think Rask/Rinne/Bobrovsky/Lundqvist/Elliot/Allen/Talbot/Mason/Vis/Lehner will be left unprotected.

Sorry, I thought you meant they wouldn't need protection, which was inaccurate. All of those goaltenders need to be protected. Also, you can't arbitrarily say that goaltender X will be protected, especially when there is a goaltender on the current roster with a NMC Pittsburgh, or anyone else, can't arbitrarily say they can protect one guy when they are required to protect the other based on contract status. Penguins need to move Fleury, who can control his destiny because of his NMC, or they will be forced to expose Murray. They need Fleury's agreement to move him, which is going to be tough based on the goaltending market and Fleury's contract value, amount due, and NMC.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Subban will be protected if he continues his upward development this season. He is the natural successor to Rask. Similar to Murray in Pittsburgh, they aren't going anywhere IMO. Rask and Fleury will be traded/unprotected because Subban and Murray are better long term assets. Pit will find a way to get Fleury to waive.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Subban will be protected if he continues his upward development this season. He is the natural successor to Rask. Similar to Murray in Pittsburgh, they aren't going anywhere IMO. Rask and Fleury will be traded/unprotected because Subban and Murray are better long term assets. Pit will find a way to get Fleury to waive.

Rask is 29 years old, the Bruins don't need to be worried at the moment about a successor

[Roof-Daddy]

The Bruins don't have a great track record anyways, when it comes to "successors".

[dammage79]

Bruins got Rask for Raycroft. What a trade.