2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by adc

Hamonic- 23:20
Boychuk- 21:53

That is TOI/Game from NHL.com so seems like a fairly good source for information and unless my math is wrong is more than 7 seconds.

And he is 29th in the NHL for ice time for defensemen but that is a pretty crappy way to judge guys in my view. Since more balanced teams are obviously going to even out the ice time compared to teams that rely on 1 or 2 guys.

You are putting too much stock into one quarter of a season rather than look at an entire body of work last year. I don't completely discount this year but think last years full season carries more weight.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

http://espn.go.com/nhl/statistics/pl...ion/defensemen

This link tells me 64th Ice time per game

Hamonic was given more ice-time after the New Years. In February it wasn't all that uncommon for him to be playing 25 minutes a night. So yeah, I think you could probably argue he wasn't top pairing to start the 2014-2015 season, but has been since January 2015.

[Finger Cookin]

Hamonics's 31st among D in TOI/GP since 12-13. 30th since 13-14.

[GreenLantern]

Whatever over payment the Isles get for Hamonic will just make BT's Hamilton deal look that much sweeter. Ahhhh yea.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Whoops. Thought we were discussing 2015-16. Looks like we're both right, you for 14-15, me for 15-16.

Yeah a misunderstanding I am looking at last year moreso than this year.

I think people looking at the small sample size from this year are the same that would move Gio for Hamonic. I think we need to look at a larger sample size as the first quarter of a season have huge fluctuations in play. For instance I don't think Dale Weise is a 30+ goal scorer even though he is on pace after a great start

[adc]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Using your logic Russell and Wideman averages 2-3 minutes more per game than Haminic and were the top pair during the Flames stretch drive to get in and 11 playoff games so they should easily get it done.

No that is not my logic because Wideman gets high TOI based largely on his PP time and when talking about Hamonic I don't need to use qualifiers like "stretch drive and 11 play-off games" because he didn't get elevated to top minutes based on injury that is what he did all season.

I also said that comparing team to team totals can be misleading as team with well rounded defense (or major injuries) can lead to guys getting more minutes compared to

I think your thoughts on Gio are completely off. TSN had Gio as the 27th best player in the entire league ranking 7th among Dmen. Why would this Islanders want a player like that? He has had a rough start to the year and clearly you are writing him off with the whole "I will drive him to the airport comments"

Gio has had two seasons of elite level and in both years he was unable to play a full season. He has had a long time off from his surgery so the question has to be is he still not 100% or is he not getting back to the same level because of the injury?

If he is not 100% I am not sure why he is continuing to play as it hurts the team now and definitely long term. It makes zero sense to me. What does make more sense is that a major injury like that happening to a guy who is 30 could mean he never gets back to 100% and that is a concern.

I also think the Flames team is likely 2-3 years away from competing. Even if healthy is Gio going to be elite still at that time frame? Hamonic to me fits much better in terms of when this team's peak is going to be and his much cheaper salary doesn't hurt either.

And finally it is not writing Gio off it is recognizing that when trading for a guy like Hamonic you need to give up something of value. I would love to trade Wideman, Russell, Backlund and mediocre prospects for him but that isn't happening.

[adc]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

You are putting too much stock into one quarter of a season rather than look at an entire body of work last year. I don't completely discount this year but think last years full season carries more weight.

Even last year he was playing more minutes than anyone else.

Even your snarky 7 seconds more is still more and he was 1:30 ahead of Leddy so clearly top pairing.

So using last year or this year he was the leading ice time defenseman for the Islanders. Put the weight wherever you want it.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The over rating of Hamonic is beyond ridiculous. This guy is not better than Gio or Brodie. He is 3-4 on the Flames and I think Dougie has more upside.

I could be wrong but I thought the Leddy-Boychuk pairing are the top 2 on the island?

Thank you I thought I was going crazy. Gio, Brodie or Hamilton > Hamonic and I'm surprised people feel otherwise tbh.

Though a Hamilton Hamonic pairing would be funny, I agree with earlier poster who said forget Hamonic we should go after Varlamov.

EDIT: what the heck? I thought this was the Hamonic thread

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Yeah a misunderstanding I am looking at last year moreso than this year.

I think people looking at the small sample size from this year are the same that would move Gio for Hamonic. I think we need to look at a larger sample size as the first quarter of a season have huge fluctuations in play. For instance I don't think Dale Weise is a 30+ goal scorer even though he is on pace after a great start

I don't think you're necessarily wrong with what you are saying but in 2013 he was also the top shutdown player for the Islanders when he went up against Crosby in the playoffs. Boychuk and Leddy weren't on the team then, but he's been their shutdown guy for awhile.

If you look at even strength time on ice, last year he was 38th among defenseman, the year before that he was 6th. He doesn't play as much on the PP so his TOI numbers take a hit.

[Vinny01]

I am not going to be convinced he is better than Giordano or would come ahead of him or Brodie. So I think he is 3-4 on the Flames. We will see what he gets once he is traded. I don't see him getting what many people are thinking.

I think he is a great player just not an elite top Dman that teams are going to grossly overly for. If any team needs him it is the Oilers and let's see if they value him the same willing to give up the price to land a 25 year old top pairing Dman.

[Oling_Roachinen]

I don't think he is better than Giordano or Brodie either, but that doesn't make him a second pairing defenseman anymore than Malkin is (or has been) a second line center.

He's a top pairing defensemen on over half the teams in the league in my opinion, I think we are fortunate enough that he wouldn't be on ours (well assuming Giordano stops playing like ass).

[adc]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I am not going to be convinced he is better than Giordano or would come ahead of him or Brodie. So I think he is 3-4 on the Flames. We will see what he gets once he is traded. I don't see him getting what many people are thinking.

I think he is a great player just not an elite top Dman that teams are going to grossly overly for. If any team needs him it is the Oilers and let's see if they value him the same willing to give up the price to land a 25 year old top pairing Dman.

If Gio can return to his play of the last two years I agree. I am not convinced that he can and certainly very concerned about how long he would play at that level going forward.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I am not going to be convinced he is better than Giordano or would come ahead of him or Brodie. So I think he is 3-4 on the Flames. We will see what he gets once he is traded. I don't see him getting what many people are thinking.

I think he is a great player just not an elite top Dman that teams are going to grossly overly for. If any team needs him it is the Oilers and let's see if they value him the same willing to give up the price to land a 25 year old top pairing Dman.

I love Gio (look at my name), but he's a question mark since his surgery and he has a huge price tag. Gio from last year - no question you are right. But even if Gio gets better than he is right now, I think he's hit his peak already and his skills will slide, whereas Hamonic is getting better.

[Vinny01]

I think Gio's problems right now are confidence and heightened expectations. The team stumbles and he is trying to do too much. We saw it in the Detriot game he still has that great game. It is similar with Dougie I think once their confidence starts growing this team and many of its players will get hot again

[sureLoss]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/i...asons-schedule

The Chicago Blackhawks, now healthy on defense, have been getting calls on Trevor Daley since it’s obvious the reigning Cup champs have a bit of a surplus with 10 NHL capable blueliners.

Not that Daley has complained, but my sense is he’s probably a bit frustrated with his role these days, as he’s used to playing more minutes. It just hasn’t been a good fit so far with the Hawks.

Given the abundance of teams around the league looking for a defenseman, there should be a market for Daley, although I don’t get the sense the Blackhawks are in any hurry. If they move him, it’s because it’s the right fit and the right deal.

Daley, 32, has another year left on his deal after this season at a $3.3 million salary cap hit, though his actually salary this season is $3.1 million and next season it’s $2.7 million.

The Pittsburgh Penguins are among the teams who would like to add a defenseman at some point. Would Daley be a fit? The cap hit might be an issue.

[AcGold]

Trade Gio? Are you guys nuts, at the rock bottom value?

[Racki]

Landon Ferraro on waivers. Wonder if he makes it thru Alberta. Andrew Walker indicated that Babcock liked him and he wouldn't get passed the Leafs.

@SiriusXMNHL: The #RedWings have placed forward Landon Ferraro on waivers, and the #Leafs have done the same with defenceman Petter Granberg

@FAN590Walker: I don't think Landon Ferraro makes it past Toronto on waivers. Babcock likes him

[Trailer Fire]

Hopefully he gets muddled up in the system and never enjoys success in the NHL again.

[sureLoss]

Garrioch "rumors":
http://www.ottawasun.com/2015/11/21/...make-right-now

Snow asking for a lot for Hamonic, in some cases more than what Hamonic is worth
Likely this drags out to offseaon maybe to the draft

Jets shopping Enstrom who is making $5.75 million per season through 16/17
If the Jets want to re-sign Byfuglien they need to get Enstrom off the books

Ducks sniffing around to see what they can get for Andrew Cogliano
Cogliano has this year +2 more seasons at $3million/year
Teams are more focused on Cam Fowler, who if the Ducks are truly interested in moving him will return a boatload

[PlayfulGenius]

Why do the Ducks want to move Fowler?...do they have too many D?