2021 NFL Season

[rubecube]

Wonder if cities could sue some of these owners on behalf of taxpayers for the city money used to build stadiums if they have proof that the owners were purposely trying to lose. I'm guessing no, but might be worth cities inserting some kind of morality clause into future arena deals.

[rubecube]

Mina Kimes doing a much better job explaining the point I was trying to make earlier.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1488636193713623057

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think Allen could be a decent head coach and I've been surprised he's not got many interviews over the years. He was set up to fail with one of the worst rosters in NFL history when he was the Raiders head coach as McKenzie had to gut the team to get them out of the cap hell Al Davis left the team in.

Yeah totally, Saints are a top 5 D under him. He's literally the only DC I've seen who consistently flusters Brady every matchup, like what else do you even need on your resume? I feel like that'll be the move, but we'll see

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

Interesting they would only have 3 stars on the logo instead of 5. Maybe there's a story to that.

If Star Trek has taught me anything, the rank of Commander is represented by 3 pips/ stars/ stripes.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Wonder if cities could sue some of these owners on behalf of taxpayers for the city money used to build stadiums if they have proof that the owners were purposely trying to lose. I'm guessing no, but might be worth cities inserting some kind of morality clause into future arena deals.

No idea if that can be done but one thing that can and likely will happen if all this stuff is proven true is prosecution from the Feds....and no one wants that bugaboo in their lives.

The Sports Bribery Act criminalizes such conduct. Under 18 U.S.C. § 124, “Whoever carries into effect, attempts to carry into effect, or conspires with any other person to carry into effect any scheme in commence to influence, in any way, by bribery any sporting contest, with knowledge of the purpose of such scheme is to influence by bribery that contests, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.”

Based on the language of the statute, it doesn’t matter whether the offer is accepted. Liability arises if the person “carries into effect” the scheme or “attempts to carry into effect” the bribe. The mere offer of $100,000 to Flores, without more, would constitute a violation by Ross.

As to the Browns, acceptance of the inducement and acting on it would potentially extend criminal responsibility beyond Haslam. Jackson, if he acted on those offers and received those payments, would be potentially in trouble as well.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...s-bribery-act/

[Weitz]

Would the irony there be that Jackson was so bad that he would be charged too. But Flores actually went out and won some games so maybe gets off on it?

I don’t think Flores took money though it was just an offer.

[GreenLantern2814]

So, Bill Belichick is definitely a hero of this Flores story… between the initial “congrats, I hear you landed it” text and “oh, my bad, meant to message Daboll”, Flores sends five text messages.

The convo starts at 2 in the afternoon, and Bill doesn’t say he ####ed up until nearly 5.

I would buy that Belichick MIGHT accidentally send the first message to the wrong Brian. That can happen.

To continue an exchange across several hours under the impression he’s still talking to Daboll? No.

Flores’ replies would have shown up in the notifications as “Brian Flores”. It’s not even clear reading the texts that Belichick is confused at all who he’s talking to - it almost seems like he was congratulating Flores on getting the job.

The Giants kept Belichick from a perfect season and two additional Super Bowls.

The Dolphins are a division rival, and Flores gave him fits.

Bill no doubt knew Daboll was the guy. He’s that plugged in. He saw Flores about to be humiliated as a checkbox interview candidate, and he gave his guy some ammunition that would surely embarrass a division foe (perhaps even forcing a change of ownership) and the Giants.

And none of it blows back on Belichick because he can claim he’s just an old fogey who doesn’t understand phones and TikTok.

Not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

So, Bill Belichick is definitely a hero of this Flores story… between the initial “congrats, I hear you landed it” text and “oh, my bad, meant to message Daboll”, Flores sends five text messages.

The convo starts at 2 in the afternoon, and Bill doesn’t say he ####ed up until nearly 5.

I would buy that Belichick MIGHT accidentally send the first message to the wrong Brian. That can happen.

To continue an exchange across several hours under the impression he’s still talking to Daboll? No.

Flores’ replies would have shown up in the notifications as “Brian Flores”. It’s not even clear reading the texts that Belichick is confused at all who he’s talking to - it almost seems like he was congratulating Flores on getting the job.

The Giants kept Belichick from a perfect season and two additional Super Bowls.

The Dolphins are a division rival, and Flores gave him fits.

Bill no doubt knew Daboll was the guy. He’s that plugged in. He saw Flores about to be humiliated as a checkbox interview candidate, and he gave his guy some ammunition that would surely embarrass a division foe (perhaps even forcing a change of ownership) and the Giants.

And none of it blows back on Belichick because he can claim he’s just an old fogey who doesn’t understand phones and TikTok.

Not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need.

While completely plausible, my interpretation of the text's and situation wasn't that he texted the wrong Brian to congratulate (IE : He knew he was texing Flores) , but that he either read inocrrectly or was mistaken on the initial text regarding a Brian being named coach

Example: (making up the text) Brain is getting hired by the Giants.

So after seeing Flores say "I haven't interviewed yet" probably contacted the original text sender of the news to clarify which Brian they were referring too, and realized he had F'd up

His last message - " I double checked and mis-read the text " I read that as he misread another text saying who was named coach , not sent his string of texts to the wrong person.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by rubecube

This is really, really ugly with the legalized gambling component. I wonder if teams and the NFL could be liable for some form of fraud, too.

Gambling is no doubt the future as far as sports growth is concerned, so if the average joe thinks it's all fixed then that growth potential evaporates. I could definitely see some class action suits if this is proven true. But this is growing risk in gambling, especially with prop bets which are so much harder to prove fraud on.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Also just want to add it's really flown under the radar how horrible the Dolphins really are as a franchise. Two playoff appearances in the last 20 years, both one and done, and those losses produced a combine score line of 57-21. The comically bad nature of the Browns since 2003 has really allowed some horrible franchises to fly under the radar.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

While completely plausible, my interpretation of the text's and situation wasn't that he texted the wrong Brian to congratulate (IE : He knew he was texing Flores) , but that he either read inocrrectly or was mistaken on the initial text regarding a Brian being named coach

Example: (making up the text) Brain is getting hired by the Giants.

So after seeing Flores say "I haven't interviewed yet" probably contacted the original text sender of the news to clarify which Brian they were referring too, and realized he had F'd up

His last message - " I double checked and mis-read the text " I read that as he misread another text saying who was named coach , not sent his string of texts to the wrong person.

I find your take on this extremely plausible as well, and I’d say it still casts Belichick in a positive light.

He left a paper trail. Bill told Flores that he was walking into a sham interview. And if he did in fact think Flores was who the Giants were going to hire, it shows he thought that was the right decision, and that in Belichick’s estimation, Flores deserved to be an NFL head coach.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

While completely plausible, my interpretation of the text's and situation wasn't that he texted the wrong Brian to congratulate (IE : He knew he was texing Flores) , but that he either read inocrrectly or was mistaken on the initial text regarding a Brian being named coach

Example: (making up the text) Brain is getting hired by the Giants.

So after seeing Flores say "I haven't interviewed yet" probably contacted the original text sender of the news to clarify which Brian they were referring too, and realized he had F'd up

His last message - " I double checked and mis-read the text " I read that as he misread another text saying who was named coach , not sent his string of texts to the wrong person.

It still means the Giants had made up their minds before they interviewed Flores.

[oldschoolcalgary]

this made me laugh

[KelVarnsen]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1489031932558069772

https://twitter.com/user/status/1489040267885875203

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

So, Bill Belichick is definitely a hero of this Flores story… between the initial “congrats, I hear you landed it” text and “oh, my bad, meant to message Daboll”, Flores sends five text messages.

The convo starts at 2 in the afternoon, and Bill doesn’t say he ####ed up until nearly 5.

I would buy that Belichick MIGHT accidentally send the first message to the wrong Brian. That can happen.

To continue an exchange across several hours under the impression he’s still talking to Daboll? No.

Flores’ replies would have shown up in the notifications as “Brian Flores”. It’s not even clear reading the texts that Belichick is confused at all who he’s talking to - it almost seems like he was congratulating Flores on getting the job.

The Giants kept Belichick from a perfect season and two additional Super Bowls.

The Dolphins are a division rival, and Flores gave him fits.

Bill no doubt knew Daboll was the guy. He’s that plugged in. He saw Flores about to be humiliated as a checkbox interview candidate, and he gave his guy some ammunition that would surely embarrass a division foe (perhaps even forcing a change of ownership) and the Giants.

And none of it blows back on Belichick because he can claim he’s just an old fogey who doesn’t understand phones and TikTok.

Not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need.

I'm choosing to believe this because it is just fantastic. Not because of the competitive advantage, but the idea that he was trying to blow up the entire situation and maybe he knew Flores was the kind of guy who wouldn't accept this.

[Erick Estrada]

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/...iple%20reports.

Not sure about what happened in the Harbaugh interview but after he told Michigan he was going to stay on and the Vikings decided to hire O'Connell. As with the Raiders it's likely he wanted too much control over personnel and both parties simply agreed it wasn't going to work.

[GreenLantern2814]

Oh, and a week after being the rumoured front runner for the Jaguars job, Byron Leftwich remains unemployed.

Though this article makes it seem like the biggest issue is Trent Baalke being an ####### rather than institutional racism, so… baby steps, I guess.

https://www.bigcatcountry.com/platfo...byron-leftwich

[Nsd1]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1488537036529324042

It’s a wonder that coaches don’t want to work with this guy.

[Erick Estrada]

How are the Jaguars ever going to move forward as long as they continue to employ greaseballs like Baalke? Khan may have good intentions but it's clear he is terrible when it comes to evaluating GM's and head coaches. He really needs an eperienced 3rd party involved in hirings to aid in the hiring of these people.

[KelVarnsen]

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/...lphins-lawsuit