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View Poll Results: What will happen to Brad Treliving after the end of the season?
He should and will be fired 167 17.06%
He should be fired, but will continue as the Flames GM 277 28.29%
He should not and will not be fired 288 29.42%
He should not but will be fired 27 2.76%
Unsure if he should be, but he will be fired 37 3.78%
Unsure if he should be, but he will not be fired 183 18.69%
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Old 05-15-2021, 08:15 AM   #3321
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Revisionist history.

When Treliving traded picks for Forbort & Gustavson, Giordano and Hamonic were hurt. I would imagine the expectation, from ownership, was to make the playoffs. There was also a strong belief, I bet, that the Flames were interested in resigning Brodie.

Is this one of those scenarios where Treliving did everything wrong and nothing right? How’s your relationship with your parents?
Far from revisionist history. Many posters wanted the Flames to sell regardless of the injuries, including myself. Injuries or not, most could see that this team wasn't going to do anything in the playoffs, and they didn't. With how successful the Flames have been with 2nds and 3rds recently that would have been a far smarter move. That's likely 3 extra picks in those rounds. Instead we had 0. Huge fail.

No idea the relevance of my relationship with my parents in this scenario but I have a great relationship with my parents and always have, since you were wondering.
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Old 05-15-2021, 08:20 AM   #3322
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Kinda hindsight though...every team that doesn't win the cup should have been sellers in hindsight. Oilers spent a pretty penny to not make the playoffs at all.

Brodie should have been sorted one way or another though...either sign an extension earlier or moved so they could have brought in someone else. What team doesn't lose UFA's though?
I think a team that loses UFA's for nothing should be a contender or at least a team with some opportunity to be competitive in the playoffs. A bubble team like the Flames who have traded away a lot of high picks need to continue to build through the draft.
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Old 05-15-2021, 08:21 AM   #3323
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Just because other teams used picks on those players, doesn't mean the Flames would have. In most of those drafts, there were good players picked close to those picks. The Flames scouts have done a decent job and probably would have done a better job.
That’s a truly speculative statement. There’s no telling who the Flames would, or wouldn’t, have picked.

Again, trading picks is something every GM does. Not too sure why this one gets pinned to the wall for it. I would wager whoever replaces Treliving will do the same.
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Old 05-15-2021, 08:29 AM   #3324
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I think his biggest achilles is the fact that he continues to subscribe to the " we're close " theory.

His off-season changes not including a top right wing is an example.

The addition of all the marginal free agent signings, giving up Brodie for nothing and then signing Tanev to essentially the same contract, overpayment for Markstrom, resigning Ward after the Dallas series, insert other recent examples here...

For these reasons and the lack of playoff success/making the playoffs during his tenure, Tre should be let go now.
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I think his biggest achilles is the fact that he continues to subscribe to the " we're close " theory.

His off-season changes not including a top right wing is an example.

The addition of all the marginal free agent signings, giving up Brodie for nothing and then signing Tanev to essentially the same contract, overpayment for Markstrom, resigning Ward after the Dallas series, insert other recent examples here...

For these reasons and the lack of playoff success/making the playoffs during his tenure, Tre should be let go now.
How do you know Brodie wanted to resign here? If he did, was it going to be for what he eventually signed for? He was a UFA, it was more his decision than it was the Flames.
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Old 05-15-2021, 08:47 AM   #3326
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That’s a truly speculative statement. There’s no telling who the Flames would, or wouldn’t, have picked.

Again, trading picks is something every GM does. Not too sure why this one gets pinned to the wall for it. I would wager whoever replaces Treliving will do the same.
It is far more speculative to think that the Flames would have picked the exact same player that the other team did. Brad has traded away more picks and the Flames have been the biggest net loser of picks in the first 3 rounds of any organization in the NHL over the past 7 years.
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It is far more speculative to think that the Flames would have picked the exact same player that the other team did. Brad has traded away more picks and the Flames have been the biggest net loser of picks in the first 3 rounds of any organization in the NHL over the past 7 years.
Didn’t say the Flames would have picked the same players.

Point being, of all the picks traded for actual NHL players roughly 16% of them have gone on to establish themselves as NHLer’s. that number may increase due to the fact some of these may still be middling prospects.

The Flames, under Treliving, have improved their amateur scouting and development system considerably. So I suppose there’s reason to believe they would have done a better job of drafting better prospects. We don’t nor will we ever know. So it’s a hope we’re talking about.

It’s has been discussed, and it’s there in plain sight for all of us to see, but this organizations mandate, from ownership, is to be competitive for a playoff spot, year in year out. The only time they ‘rebuilt’ they were dragged into it kicking and screaming, and they got out of it as soon as possible. I have a hard time believing Treliving came to this organizational decision on his own.
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Old 05-15-2021, 09:13 AM   #3328
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How do you know Brodie wanted to resign here? If he did, was it going to be for what he eventually signed for? He was a UFA, it was more his decision than it was the Flames.
We don't.

It was Brad's job to find out.

Everyone knew that Hamonic and Brodie were going to be UFAs at the start of 2019. Everyone also knew that Calgary could probably only sign one of them.

So rather than trading one of them, or both, during the season, both walk away for nothing. Considering Treliving traded a first and 2nds for Hamonic, that is really poor management.

As for Brodie - Calgary had every opportunity to sign him and/or make him feel wanted during the season. BT decided to focus on Markstromm and Tanev first...so whatever chance there was probably ended there.
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I guess the real question is who’s fault is it?

Sam Bennet doing nothing?
Tkachuk dissappearing?
Gaudreau dumping and chasing for half the season?
Valimaki being a turnover machine?
Anderson not taking the next step?
Monahan regressing further due to lack of skating ability?
Giodano regressing due to age?
Markstrom sucking for a month post injury?

Or Treliving?

I’ve said it previously. I thought the flames were going to challenge for first coming in to the season. Markstrom and Tanev signings were big ones. Treliving is an easy target. But I think there’s a pretty big pile of players that need to share in the blame.

The team has a lot of talent. But doesn’t have the right culture. The big problem is leadership on this team. I don’t necessarily think it’s talent. Treliving gambled hoping a number of players would step up to fill that void. The didn’t this season.

So probably his fault to trust that certain players would take that step. But I’m hoping he doesn’t become a scapegoat for the real problem. A big number of players didn’t step up this year. If he’s going a few of them should go as well.

I think that’s why Sutter was really brought in. To decide who those players are. He’s the unbiased judge in my mind. The fresh set of eyes.
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We don't.

It was Brad's job to find out.

Everyone knew that Hamonic and Brodie were going to be UFAs at the start of 2019. Everyone also knew that Calgary could probably only sign one of them.

So rather than trading one of them, or both, during the season, both walk away for nothing. Considering Treliving traded a first and 2nds for Hamonic, that is really poor management.

As for Brodie - Calgary had every opportunity to sign him and/or make him feel wanted during the season. BT decided to focus on Markstromm and Tanev first...so whatever chance there was probably ended there.
Pretty sure Treliving had a better handle on the Brodie/Hamonic situations than any one of us.

Although, I guess we should have expected that he should have had a better line of communication with the World Health Organization and foresaw the impending pandemic and its impact on the world and the league.
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Old 05-15-2021, 09:20 AM   #3331
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I guess the real question is who’s fault is it?

Sam Bennet doing nothing?
Tkachuk dissappearing?
Gaudreau dumping and chasing for half the season?
Valimaki being a turnover machine?
Anderson not taking the next step?
Monahan regressing further due to lack of skating ability?
Giodano regressing due to age?
Markstrom sucking for a month post injury?

Or Treliving?

I’ve said it previously. I thought the flames were going to challenge for first coming in to the season. Markstrom and Tanev signings were big ones. Treliving is an easy target. But I think there’s a pretty big pile of players that need to share in the blame.

The team has a lot of talent. But doesn’t have the right culture. The big problem is leadership on this team. I don’t necessarily think it’s talent. Treliving gambled hoping a number of players would step up to fill that void. The didn’t this season.

So probably his fault to trust that certain players would take that step. But I’m hoping he doesn’t become a scapegoat for the real problem. A big number of players didn’t step up this year. If he’s going a few of them should go as well.

I think that’s why Sutter was really brought in. To decide who those players are. He’s the unbiased judge in my mind. The fresh set of eyes.
There you go, this makes a lot of sense.
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That Hamonic trade was soooo bad, and UFA signings have been pretty bad as well. But at this point I’m still in the ‘could be worse’ camp, I’d give him another year
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Pretty sure Treliving had a better handle on the Brodie/Hamonic situations than any one of us.

Although, I guess we should have expected that he should have had a better line of communication with the World Health Organization and foresaw the impending pandemic and its impact on the world and the league.
Sorry I'm not sure how the Pandemic had anything to do with asset management around Brodie and/or Hamonic?

I am sure they knew Brodie was going to be difficult to sign.
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That Hamonic trade was soooo bad, and UFA signings have been pretty bad as well. But at this point I’m still in the ‘could be worse’ camp, I’d give him another year
Out of curiosity, I wonder how people would react if Treliving traded, say, Hanifin for a first and two 2nd’s?

He would probably get crushed for it if the picks didn’t turn out, but the reaction would be interesting.
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Sorry I'm not sure how the Pandemic had anything to do with asset management around Brodie and/or Hamonic?

I am sure they knew Brodie was going to be difficult to sign.
Flat cap.

In an alternate universe, the cap goes up to....? Likely changes the position for team across the league.
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Out of curiosity, I wonder how people would react if Treliving traded, say, Hanifin for a first and two 2nd’s?

He would probably get crushed for it if the picks didn’t turn out, but the reaction would be interesting.
That's actually a trade I would want this off season, and would consider that a terrific deal in the Flames favour. The team got a surplus of defenders that they could play with, and ideally the young defenders on the team would continue to progress. Therefore if it can clear up cap space to bring in a scoring forward, that would be fantastic.

But with cap, likely need costs back. So getting a forward would be more realistic.
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Out of curiosity, I wonder how people would react if Treliving traded, say, Hanifin for a first and two 2nd’s?

He would probably get crushed for it if the picks didn’t turn out, but the reaction would be interesting.
I would think, there are a fair number of people who believe the Flames really need to retool and/or rebuild.

Obviously with the Sutter hire, that means the ownership is looking for this team to find a way to win.

As for the question, getting more draft picks would be a positive move if they are going to retool.

As for the picks not turning out, that's a separate topic.

Chances of current GM being around for those speculated picks is remote.
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Flat cap.

In an alternate universe, the cap goes up to....? Likely changes the position for team across the league.

Don't believe the Flat cap, had anything to do with Brodie leaving.

Flames were trying to sign him, player wanted to leave.

If you believe the comments from the media last years UFA.
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If a team offered a 2022 1st pick and a 2021 2nd rounder and 2023 2nd rounder for Hanifin, you take that and run .
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Out of curiosity, I wonder how people would react if Treliving traded, say, Hanifin for a first and two 2nd’s?

He would probably get crushed for it if the picks didn’t turn out, but the reaction would be interesting.
It would be a great move if the organizational direction was to go scorched earth. But it's likely not happening while Darryl is behind the bench.
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