2014/2015 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[ForeverFlameFan]

I think that pretty much says that Mantha will most likely be traded.

[ClubFlames]

It's so weird to see Wings kinda giving up on Mantha, there has to be some sort of an issue that the general public isn't aware of.

[automaton 3]

Detroit is generally quite patient with prospects...interesting they don't see him in their future plans and they don't seem to be shy about saying it in public.

[Ozy_Flame]

It very much worries me about Mantha if Detroit is willing to give up on him.

I'm sure Edmonton would roll out the red carpet for him.

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I think that pretty much says that Mantha will most likely be traded.

Mantha + 1st for Wideman

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Demetric

Mantha + 1st for Wideman

That's overpayment for Wideman, but just like Hudler, that's the only way I move him.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Demetric

Mantha + 1st for Wideman

I would trade Wideman for just the first.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I would trade Wideman for just the first.

lol. Think there's any chance he could net us a pick in the top ~9-11?

I just want Barzal so bad. I see him as a forward that would push the Flames over the edge.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I think that pretty much says that Mantha will most likely be traded.

Seems odd that they would go about things this way. If you are really displeased with a prospect why throw the red flag out there for everyone to consider essentially devaluing the prospects trade value? I realize teams will still be interested regardless but I'm sure that most teams are thinking that if the Wings are trying to get rid of him after one pro season then they should proceed carefully. If the Wings silently just shopped him at the deadline chances are they would have received some top notch offers.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I would trade Wideman for just the first.

I'd expect at least a Coburn level return for Wideman, who is clearly better. A 1st is the bare minimum for a decent top 4 dman. Wideman is coming off a season where he was 4th in scoring amongst all defensemen, I think we can set our sights higher or just hold on to him.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Seems odd that they would go about things this way. If you are really displeased with a prospect why throw the red flag out there for everyone to consider essentially devaluing the prospects trade value? I realize teams will still be interested regardless but I'm sure that most teams are thinking that if the Wings are trying to get rid of him after one pro season then they should proceed carefully. If the Wings silently just shopped him at the deadline chances are they would have received some top notch offers.

I completely agree, I bet if Burke didn't call out Sven for his bad play, Sven's value would have been a whole lot better than what we traded him for imo. If Burke just simply said that Sven needs to work on a few things, that would have been a better approach.

What the Wings are doing with Mantha isn't the best thing to do when you look at both sides of the party. Mantha may never get that opportunity anymore with a new team with the red flags Detroit management is saying, and Detroit management isn't going to get a great return for Mantha.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I completely agree, I bet if Burke didn't call out Sven for his bad play, Sven's value would have been a whole lot better than what we traded him for imo. If Burke just simply said that Sven needs to work on a few things, that would have been a better approach.

What the Wings are doing with Mantha isn't the best thing to do when you look at both sides of the party. Mantha may never get that opportunity anymore with a new team with the red flags Detroit management is saying, and Detroit management isn't going to get a great return for Mantha.

Maybe if they traded him in September 2013. However, by March 2015, it's safe to say the entire hockey world (except the geniuses in Vancouver) were well aware of Sven's deficiencies and impending waiver eligibility. I don't think Burke's comments from 1.5 years ago influenced this perception at all, I think it's fair to say other teams just don't like him much at this point/see him as a good NHL player. I bet Treliving was trying to trade him for sometime before the deadline, but no one really wanted him. Eventually he reluctantly traded him to a rival because no one else was dumb enough to match their offer.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Maybe if they traded him in September 2013. However, by March 2015, it's safe to say the entire hockey world (except the geniuses in Vancouver) were well aware of Sven's deficiencies and impending waiver eligibility. I don't think Burke's comments from 1.5 years ago influenced this perception at all, I think it's fair to say other teams just don't like him much at this point/see him as a good NHL player. I bet Treliving was trying to trade him for sometime before the deadline, but no one really wanted him. Eventually he reluctantly traded him to a rival because no one else was dumb enough to match their offer.

Friedman did say that he spoke to a scout of another team that didn't speak highly of Sven and I'm pretty sure the book was out on him.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Friedman did say that he spoke to a scout of another team that didn't speak highly of Sven and I'm pretty sure the book was out on him.

yeah I don't think anything Burke said was exactly a surprise to anyone in the hockey world. probably the same with Mantha.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I completely agree, I bet if Burke didn't call out Sven for his bad play, Sven's value would have been a whole lot better than what we traded him for imo.

There are these things called professional scouts. Every organization has them. Most of the get used and management listens to them. If Burke knew Baertschi had issues, every team out there knew Baertschi had issues. We were lucky Vancouver doesn't listen to the scouts.

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I completely agree, I bet if Burke didn't call out Sven for his bad play, Sven's value would have been a whole lot better than what we traded him for imo. If Burke just simply said that Sven needs to work on a few things, that would have been a better approach.

What the Wings are doing with Mantha isn't the best thing to do when you look at both sides of the party. Mantha may never get that opportunity anymore with a new team with the red flags Detroit management is saying, and Detroit management isn't going to get a great return for Mantha.

It's been said before but probably needs to be said again. GMs talk to their pro team scouts, they talk to former coaches, and they definitely talk to each other. Fan perception of player value based on media interviews is hardly an unrealistic way to compare what NHL organizations can already scout for.

For example, if what an exec says about a player affects value, why don't we have repeated instances of gushing over soon-to-be-traded players. Clearly the opposite should work and that would raise player value.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Anduril

It's been said before but probably needs to be said again. GMs talk to their pro team scouts, they talk to former coaches, and they definitely talk to each other. Fan perception of player value based on media interviews is hardly an unrealistic way to compare what NHL organizations can already scout for.

For example, if what an exec says about a player affects value, why don't we have repeated instances of gushing over soon-to-be-traded players. Clearly the opposite should work and that would raise player value.

Agreed. If the Wings were noticing negative things about Mantha, there is a good chance that other teams were already noticing the same thing through their scouts. The fact that they publicly called him out suggests that the cat was out of the bag already. Some teams might have differing opinions, but it's not like 29 other teams weren't paying attention.

[memphusk]

Washington's Third for Mantha. Then whip him into shape, with a lot of emphasis on the W.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by New Era

There are these things called professional scouts. Every organization has them. Most of the get used and management listens to them. If Burke knew Baertschi had issues, every team out there knew Baertschi had issues. We were lucky Vancouver doesn't listen to the scouts.

Fair enough.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I completely agree, I bet if Burke didn't call out Sven for his bad play, Sven's value would have been a whole lot better than what we traded him for imo. If Burke just simply said that Sven needs to work on a few things, that would have been a better approach.

What the Wings are doing with Mantha isn't the best thing to do when you look at both sides of the party. Mantha may never get that opportunity anymore with a new team with the red flags Detroit management is saying, and Detroit management isn't going to get a great return for Mantha.

The only reason Sven got traded is because he asked to be traded. Burke's comments were not comments from a GM or President looking to trade a player, they were comments looking to motivate a player they hoped would pan out.

Regardless, the impact of these types of public comments is little to none I would think. I know they are our best source of info as fans on these types of things, but I'd wager the inner hockey circles aren't as clueless as to what's going on with prospects and players, and by the time a manager says anything in public, it's likely already been know by anyone around the league that matters and they likely know more details.