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Clever_Iggy · 04-30-2013, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Muta

I still think the #2 pick overall for the #6 pick, the ~#20 pick and a 2014 2nd round pick is fair... question is, does Tampa do that?

No, because Tampa has the #3 pick overall.

Icon · 04-30-2013, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Muta

I still think the #2 pick overall for the #6 pick, the ~#20 pick and a 2014 2nd round pick is fair... question is, does Tampa do that?

Historically that's more than enough to get it done for the 3rd overall pick.

AC · 04-30-2013, 11:17 AM

I don't see us being able to get into the top 3. Getting 4th or 5th is less out to lunch due to the drop off from the big 3.

Fighting Banana Slug · 04-30-2013, 11:19 AM

Personally, I much prefer to keep all three picks (and possibly make a move for an additional 2nd). Lindholm/Monahan is nothing to sneeze at, and I am really interested in the lower portion of the first round. Just watching the U-18 has me salivating. Plenty of forward talent (Gauthier, Compher, Klimchuk) and Defense (Morin, Bowey, Morrisey), depending on how we draft and how the playoffs unfold. Perhaps I only saw a few good shifts, but even the Yanks Ausmus looked to play at the pro level and might be around in the 3rd or 4th.

moon · 04-30-2013, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Muta

I still think the #2 pick overall for the #6 pick, the ~#20 pick and a 2014 2nd round pick is fair... question is, does Tampa do that?

I can't think why any team would want to take the drop off in potential that you get from MacKinnon/Drouin to Lindholm/Monahan to pick up a 50/50 chance at a average NHL player and a 30% chance a a guy playing in the league.

Perhaps there is a GM dumb enough out there but it seems to make zero sense to me to trade for such a weak return.

Icon · 04-30-2013, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by AC

I don't see us being able to get into the top 3. Getting 4th or 5th is less out to lunch due to the drop off from the big 3.

I really think it's a big 4. (Jones, MacKinnon, Drouin, Barkov)

calgARI · 04-30-2013, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Muta

I still think the #2 pick overall for the #6 pick, the ~#20 pick and a 2014 2nd round pick is fair... question is, does Tampa do that?

Doubt it. They'd move the pick only if they can become better and deeper now.

calgARI · 04-30-2013, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by AC

I don't see us being able to get into the top 3. Getting 4th or 5th is less out to lunch due to the drop off from the big 3.

And that is why it probably isn't worth moving up to 4 or 5.

nik- · 04-30-2013, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by calgARI

And that is why it probably isn't worth moving up to 4 or 5.

I see it being worth moving up to 5 to make sure they get the guy they want.

dammage79 · 04-30-2013, 12:11 PM

Just re-watching the lottery here. Rutherford seems pretty happy with the top seven players. My bet is he is willing to move down. 4-7 could be active in trades on draft day.

TheGrimm · 04-30-2013, 12:30 PM

I haven't watched any of Barkov, Lindholm and Monahan extensively, but from what I have seen I don't see a tremendous drop off from Barkov to the latter. I would rather keep the late firsts and add additional prospects at this point. If you can't get Mackinnon it's not worth the price IMO.

Flames Draft Watcher · 04-30-2013, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

There is pretty much nothing we can deal without including our pick to get into the top 3 and even with our pick it seems very unlikely that those teams move out.

It makes very little sense for them to do so, especially for what the Flames have to offer.

Well I think they'd listen to an offer that contained two of Baertschi, Gaudreau, Backlund, Brodie plus the STL or PIT 1st rounder.

Stealth22 · 04-30-2013, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Well I think they'd listen to an offer that contained two of Baertschi, Gaudreau, Backlund, Brodie plus the STL or PIT 1st rounder.

Boy, am I glad you aren't the GM. I wouldn't trade even one of our top prospects with a first to move up, let alone two.

TheGrimm · 04-30-2013, 01:02 PM

1. COL - Jones - Too many reasons to list.
2. FLA - Drouin - FLA has good depth at C (Huberdeau, Grimaldi, Bjugstad etc) in the pipes and are quite low on wing skill.
3. TAM - Mackinnon - Good young C in Stamkos, Lacavalier is getting older and depth drops off significantly at that point, Wing depth isn't much better, I've got this one as a pickem, I think they take the best available player.
4. NSH - Barkov - When your top scorer is Weber, you need offensive help badly. They have some good wing depth in Forsberg and Budish but I think they could be leaning towards a center... With recent memories of Radulov in their minds I have them taking Barkov.
5. CAR - Nichushkin - Not even looking at prospects they have strength down the middle, E.Staal/J.Staal/Skinner, decent wingers in Semin and Ruutu but not enough depth, they could use help on the wing and depth on D, they will be taking a good hard look at Nich, and I think they might just gamble on that elite upside. This is the pick I am least confident about however.
6. CGY - Monahan - It's almost a coin toss to me with Lindholm, however to me the edge has to go to size and smarts. We took a gamble on Jankowski last year, but this year I think we need to take the smart pick who looks to be the most NHL ready. I see this kid having more leadership potential and we aren't talking about another Yeller here, he will have some skills too.

I do wonder with TB, if Drouin is off the table at 3, whether they would be willing to trade down with us to try to land a guy like Monahan. They might still pick Mack, but I would think a good #2 guy like Monahan might fit their needs a bit better.

Robbob · 04-30-2013, 01:04 PM

Any Chance that the shoulder injury to Barkov makes him drop?

Parallex · 04-30-2013, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbob

Any Chance that the shoulder injury to Barkov makes him drop?

Galchenyuk lost almost a full season to injury and still went #3 overall (right around where he was projected)... so I would say very little chance.

Flames Draft Watcher · 04-30-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealth22

Boy, am I glad you aren't the GM. I wouldn't trade even one of our top prospects with a first to move up, let alone two.

Lol. Didn't say I'd make the trade. Just arguing with moon's assertion that we didn't have the pieces to make an enticing offer without including the #6 overall.

Flames Draft Watcher · 04-30-2013, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGrimm

2. FLA - Drouin - FLA has good depth at C (Huberdeau, Grimaldi, Bjugstad etc) in the pipes and are quite low on wing skill.

Huberdeau is more of a LWer. Unless they are re-signing Weiss they'll have a huge hole at #1 centre.

dammage79 · 04-30-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Huberdeau is more of a LWer. Unless they are re-signing Weiss they'll have a huge hole at #1 centre.

FLA center depth is really really good even without Huberdeau and Weiss. My guess is the y go with Drouin.

Phanuthier · 04-30-2013, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

FLA center depth is really really good even without Huberdeau and Weiss. My guess is the y go with Drouin.

Funny that the key to being a winner is to have this magical "No 1 C" and the 2 last place teams, Colorado and Florida, are flooded with No 1 C's everywhere.