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Jagger · 07-03-2010, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

I'm a bit torn on this. A penalty and a red card is a huge consequence.

Feel bad for Ghana but the rules are the rules.

Suarez automatically misses the next game (the semi) too. It is a huge consequence and then some. Ghana could/should have scored from the PK then all this would be academic anyway.

Suarez did what he had to do. Uruguay were out if he didn't. A header would have gone in, handling was the only way and an instant reaction in any case.

NBC · 07-03-2010, 02:06 AM

In rugby (union) the referee can award a penalty try for certain offenses such as collapsing the scrum.

Personally, since spot-kicks are always a crap-shoot, I'd like to see the goal awarded plus the red card. The word they use over here is 'cynical'. If a challenge is cynical, then it typically leads to a red card. If there is a deliberate attempt with ones hands to prevent the ball from entering the goal, then the goal should be given and the player automatically sent off.

Players will make this choice 100 times out of 100. You prevent the goal and take your chances with the spot-kick, especially if it is at the end of a match. There was zero real consequence for Suarez - I don't believe that him missing the semi-final is consequence enough as Uruguay were by no means guaranteed to win the shootout.

At the end of the day a goal was prevented from being scored and the offending team ended up winning a match that one player had to cheat to ensure they wouldn't lose then and there. Sure Gyan could have scored the penalty, but in reality they did 'score' with the headed goal that Suarez batted down. Surely there is something wrong with that.

Ziggy Lidstrom · 07-03-2010, 06:20 AM

Poor Brazil. What a game by the Dutch. I take my hat off.

Re: Uruguay and Ghana. My buddy says as the 'handball' occurred: "great play! at this stage, give your goaltender a chance instead of just conceding the goal". Bam, the black baggio, the Ghanain Gaffe. The rest as they say, 'is history'.

This has been such a cavalcade of crescendos and craters, ups and downs befit of any world cup.

troutman · 07-03-2010, 08:17 AM

Ghana took some really weak penalty kicks. I got the feeling the fix was in.

NBC · 07-03-2010, 08:48 AM

Remind me why people think Messi is the best player in the world? He's done nothing.

Not a big fan of the Kr*uts, but I hope the stuff the Argies. If only that Polish guy scored when he had the chance.

PIMking · 07-03-2010, 08:50 AM

How was that a yellow card on Mueller? Accidental hand ball but the Argentine player does it 20 minuets before on purpose and no card?

jeesh

NBC · 07-03-2010, 08:51 AM

I think it was a series of fouls on Mueller that resulted in the yellow.

GirlySports · 07-03-2010, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBC

In rugby (union) the referee can award a penalty try for certain offenses such as collapsing the scrum.

Personally, since spot-kicks are always a crap-shoot, I'd like to see the goal awarded plus the red card. The word they use over here is 'cynical'. If a challenge is cynical, then it typically leads to a red card. If there is a deliberate attempt with ones hands to prevent the ball from entering the goal, then the goal should be given and the player automatically sent off.

Players will make this choice 100 times out of 100. You prevent the goal and take your chances with the spot-kick, especially if it is at the end of a match. There was zero real consequence for Suarez - I don't believe that him missing the semi-final is consequence enough as Uruguay were by no means guaranteed to win the shootout.

At the end of the day a goal was prevented from being scored and the offending team ended up winning a match that one player had to cheat to ensure they wouldn't lose then and there. Sure Gyan could have scored the penalty, but in reality they did 'score' with the headed goal that Suarez batted down. Surely there is something wrong with that.

I would argue that a penalty and a red card early in the game is even more punishment than allowing a goal. The team absolutely becomes useless with 10 men. With 11 men you can comeback from a goal down. Even if the penalty is missed, you can't do much with 10 men. Suarez would never do that earlier in the game.

I think the rule is fine. Red card, penalty, suspension is a heavy penalty. The fact that it was in the 120 minute made it unique and perhaps unfair.

Take hockey as an example. Overtime in the playoffs. Scramble in front of the net, goalie out of position. The puck is trickling over the line and defenseman grabs it and throws it out. What does the attacking team get? A penalty shot, that's it.

ipuckedyourmom · 07-03-2010, 09:01 AM

The first half was pretty good. I think the second half will definitely get chippy.

valo403 · 07-03-2010, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

I would argue that a penalty and a red card early in the game is even more punishment than allowing a goal. The team absolutely becomes useless with 10 men. With 11 men you can comeback from a goal down. If if the penalty is missed, you can't do much with 10 men. Suarez would never do that earlier in the game.

I think the rule is fine. Red card, penalty, suspension is a heavy penalty. The fact that it was in the 120 minute made it unique and perhaps unfair.

Take hockey as an example. Overtime in the playoffs. Scramble in front of the net, goalie out of position. The puck is trickling over the line and defenseman grabs it and throws it out. What does the attacking team get? A penalty shot, that's it.

Huh? That makes no sense at all. In a sport where goals are at an absolute premium losing a man is much less of a consequence to conceding a goal. We've seen numerous teams over the years win games, or at least hold out for a draw, with 10 men. It's not even remotely uncommon.

Uruguay face no consequences from this. If he doesn't do it their tournament is over, if he does the team progresses without one player. That's not consequences.

BTW, I'm not saying that what Suarez did was wrong, I've actually done the same thing myself in a game and would do it again, I just think the rule rewards a team for an illegal act.

PIMking · 07-03-2010, 09:18 AM

Terrible tackle on Mueller and no card and then Klose gets raped but a free kick coming up.

PIMking · 07-03-2010, 09:19 AM

way to kick it into the wall...

I didn't know Ranoldo played for Argentina also...

PIMking · 07-03-2010, 09:24 AM

KLOSE!!! 100 international goal! PRIMA!!!

What a great play by Mueller. pass from his back side and a great unselfish pass by Lukas.

PIMking · 07-03-2010, 09:26 AM

Loew please take Oezil and Klose out put in Gomez and Cacau. Both have yellow cards and I would love for us not to worry about missing Mueller and those two.

PIMking · 07-03-2010, 09:28 AM

hand ball... Why isn't that a card? (it's a joke)

waiting for the Argentine players to riot on the field.

PIMking · 07-03-2010, 09:31 AM

3-0 Friedrich!

First international goal..

Jagger · 07-03-2010, 09:32 AM

Wow. Just wow. Germany ripping everyone apart.

Rumors of Europe's demise has been greatly exaggerated.

Jagger · 07-03-2010, 09:36 AM

I've never seen a team counter-attack more explosively than this German team. Incredible stuff.

PIMking · 07-03-2010, 09:38 AM

Okay, I feel comfortable enough to go to bed. (been up for 28 hours just couldn't watch this on PVR) I'm going to hit the bed.

DFB ELF!

GirlySports · 07-03-2010, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by valo403

Huh? That makes no sense at all. In a sport where goals are at an absolute premium losing a man is much less of a consequence to conceding a goal. We've seen numerous teams over the years win games, or at least hold out for a draw, with 10 men. It's not even remotely uncommon.

Uruguay face no consequences from this. If he doesn't do it their tournament is over, if he does the team progresses without one player. That's not consequences.

BTW, I'm not saying that what Suarez did was wrong, I've actually done the same thing myself in a game and would do it again, I just think the rule rewards a team for an illegal act.

Penalty and a red card is not rewarding a team for an illegal act.
Uruguay only face no consequences because the Ghanaian choked.