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Old 12-05-2024, 01:17 PM   #3301
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Crosby to Calgary.
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Old 12-05-2024, 01:19 PM   #3302
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Malkin to Dallas and Crosby to Colorado? That would be a bloodbath in the Central Division
Bring it on! Stamkos has done wonders for the Preds.
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Old 12-05-2024, 01:23 PM   #3303
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Crosby to Calgary.
As exciting as that would be, it would set Calgary back for years.

The cost would be enormous and Calgary isn't winning anything even with Crosby.

The rebuild would be on hold in favour of the continual mushy middle for a number of years.

But what fun it might be.
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Bring it on! Stamkos has done wonders for the Preds.
So you think if Colorado added Sidney Crosby to a lineup with Mackinnon Makar, Rantanen, etc, they wouldn't be a terror.

Stamkos plays on a team that has room for Mark Jankowski. And where a whole bunch of players besides him have hit a huge wall (Nyquist had 75 points last year, he's at 10 now, Colton Scissons was a hair under .5 PPG last year, he's at 2, Schenn is done, Marchessault's on pace for 41).
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Old 12-05-2024, 01:35 PM   #3305
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So you think if Colorado added Sidney Crosby to a lineup with Mackinnon Makar, Rantanen, etc, they wouldn't be a terror.

Stamkos plays on a team that has room for Mark Jankowski. And where a whole bunch of players besides him have hit a huge wall (Nyquist had 75 points last year, he's at 10 now, Colton Scissons was a hair under .5 PPG last year, he's at 2, Schenn is done, Marchessault's on pace for 41).
All the talk of Nashville being a juggernaut and I said all offseason just watch and see they will crater. You can't build teams through free agency; it was already an old team.

Trotz is off to a terrible start.

Crosby to Colorado is much different. You are adding one of the best players of all time who can still play to 2 of the top 3 players in the league who are still in their prime.

If Crosby can also stop pucks Colorado would be unstoppable.
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Old 12-05-2024, 01:36 PM   #3306
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Drouin Mack Nichushkin
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Would be interesting to consider what it would cost a team to get Crosby. Probably less than what he’s worth because it’s similar to the Iginla scenario where Crosby gets to choose where he goes and the Penguins will want to do right by him.

If he was willing to go anywhere, there’s likely no prospect in the league that would be considered an unreasonable asset to be included in the trade. Even amongst young NHLers (under the age of 21), I think Bedard and Celebrini might be the only young players in the league that would be unreasonable to be included in a Crosby trade.

If Crosby made a point that Colorado had to pay a high price so that the Penguins would be getting good value, I think they would get Ritchie + maybe three first round picks. Maybe more. It would depend on Crosby making a stand to say he’s willing to be traded but only if Colorado paid a good return to Pittsburgh.
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Old 12-05-2024, 01:37 PM   #3308
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Malkin to Dallas and Crosby to Colorado? That would be a bloodbath in the Central Division
Can Sid play goalie?
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Would be interesting to consider what it would cost a team to get Crosby. Probably less than what he’s worth because it’s similar to the Iginla scenario where Crosby gets to choose where he goes and the Penguins will want to do right by him.

If he was willing to go anywhere, there’s likely no prospect in the league that would be considered an unreasonable asset to be included in the trade. Even amongst young NHLers (under the age of 21), I think Bedard and Celebrini might be the only young players in the league that would be unreasonable to be included in a Crosby trade.

If Crosby made a point that Colorado had to pay a high price so that the Penguins would be getting good value, I think they would get Ritchie + maybe three first round picks. Maybe more. It would depend on Crosby making a stand to say he’s willing to be traded but only if Colorado paid a good return to Pittsburgh.
I don’t think Crosby at his age gets a much as you think. Yes he is still an elite player, but dont think the package returns 3 firsts plus young top assets for a 37 yr old Crosby.
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32nd in points so far. A 2nd + Pospisil should do it.
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Old 12-05-2024, 02:02 PM   #3311
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I don’t think Crosby at his age gets a much as you think. Yes he is still an elite player, but dont think the package returns 3 firsts plus young top assets for a 37 yr old Crosby.
You’re probably right…but it’s not just the skill he’ll bring. He has a fantastic contract. Is still a top 5 centre in the league and he would be the most famous player to be traded since Gretzky. The ticket sales and merchandise sales for trading for Crosby would be huge. Ownership for both teams would be closely involved and the actual monetary value of Crosby could be included in the discussion.

Again, that is under a scenario where Crosby makes it clear he would only be willing to leave if the Penguins needs are met in a trade. What was different with Iginla, for example, was that he was very motivated to be traded to chase a cup. I’m sure Crosby would love to chase another cup with his buddy MacKinnon but he could just as much love to stay in Pittsburgh to keep breaking records with one team and be a leader to the young players in a rebuild. Crosby has won everything there is to win in the NHL. He doesn’t need to leave.
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So you think if Colorado added Sidney Crosby to a lineup with Mackinnon Makar, Rantanen, etc, they wouldn't be a terror.

Stamkos plays on a team that has room for Mark Jankowski. And where a whole bunch of players besides him have hit a huge wall (Nyquist had 75 points last year, he's at 10 now, Colton Scissons was a hair under .5 PPG last year, he's at 2, Schenn is done, Marchessault's on pace for 41).
We've seen this before when Selanne and Kariya went to the Avs.

Can we call Great Save Crosby! every game? lol
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Old 12-05-2024, 02:40 PM   #3313
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Crosby had a Hart worthy season just last year when he put an old and failing team on his back and carried them around.

If he becomes available. If he is willing to wave, you will have teams backing up the Brinks truck to Dubas' office to get him. If it is a seller's market and Crosby is available he very likely could land a package of that calibre if not more.
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We've seen this before when Selanne and Kariya went to the Avs.

Can we call Great Save Crosby! every game? lol
Kariya and Selanne were signings, I believe, and both were not in good shape all that year. kariya only got one game in for the POs. And Selanne led the Ducks to a cup a couple years later.

It's impossible to compare adding a name like Crosby with any past trade. Iginla to Pittsburgh comes closest.
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Old 12-05-2024, 02:48 PM   #3315
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Small update:

Flames have had a few preliminary calls with the Wild, belief is they're looking at Rossi and the acquisition cost associated with that. Rossi is on the smaller side, but would instantly become our top point producer and fits a position of need.

Rossi has 20pts this season playing primarily 2nd line C in a shutdown focused roll.
Believe the Wild would be looking for a roster player + as a return.
Nothing more for now, if I hear anything else I will be sure to update
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Old 12-05-2024, 02:53 PM   #3316
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Small update:

Flames have had a few preliminary calls with the Wild, belief is they're looking at Rossi and the acquisition cost associated with that. Rossi is on the smaller side, but would instantly become our top point producer and fits a position of need.

Rossi has 20pts this season playing primarily 2nd line C in a shutdown focused roll.
Believe the Wild would be looking for a roster player + as a return.
Nothing more for now, if I hear anything else I will be sure to update
Meh, I wouldn't want a Smurf playing C on my team. That's one reason why the Wild are looking at trading him.
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Flames have had a few preliminary calls with the Wild, belief is they're looking at Rossi and the acquisition cost associated with that. Rossi is on the smaller side, but would instantly become our top point producer and fits a position of need.

Rossi has 20pts this season playing primarily 2nd line C in a shutdown focused roll.
Believe the Wild would be looking for a roster player + as a return.
Nothing more for now, if I hear anything else I will be sure to update
Interesting. Thanks Royle. Risky move by the Wild to potentially upset their momentum trading their 2nd line centre. Wonder what roster players they would want in return?

If it’s Andersson, they would need to add at least a first round pick IMO.
If it’s Coleman, Calgary might have to add a later pick or prospect.
If it’s Kadri, Calgary would likely have to retain salary but should not have to add anything depending on how much salary is retained.
If it’s Vladar, the flames might have to add a little bit - potentially a later pick.
Not sure what other roster players would have much value that Calgary would be interested in trading.
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What is Rossis value now anyways? Gotta think it’s a late first? Or maybe player plus 2nd/3rd depending on the player
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Does Minnesota have another option for a 2nd line centre in their system? If not, I would assume they need to get a centre back either in this trade or in another trade.
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Small update:

Flames have had a few preliminary calls with the Wild, belief is they're looking at Rossi and the acquisition cost associated with that. Rossi is on the smaller side, but would instantly become our top point producer and fits a position of need.

Rossi has 20pts this season playing primarily 2nd line C in a shutdown focused roll.
Believe the Wild would be looking for a roster player + as a return.
Nothing more for now, if I hear anything else I will be sure to update
Rossi is their 1C right now. Eriksson-Ek is out. But when he gets back they are still thin. Are they looking at trading Rossi but upgrading at C (Kadri or Backlund or maybe from another team?

Rossi is the kind of player that Conroy has targetted though. He's a pending RFA, but Calgary can sign him.

Minnies problem is they only have $350K in cap space despite their highest salary being $9M to Kaprizov. It's because they pay $14M in buyout to Suter and Parise (a problem which disappears for the most part after this season). They do have the ability to use LTIR with Zuccarello and Brodin though.
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