[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Locke

Okay, I've kind of been slagging Tkachuk in this thread, and I dont mean to do that. I loved him during his time here, he was a giant pain in the ass, but he was our pain in the ass.

The textbook definition of a player that you absolutely loathe unless he's on your team.

But yeah, Floridians love their asshattery. He's going to be a god in that inexplicable Kingdom of tropically humid insanity.

Either way, I think I'm actually pleased with the turn of events. He gets to continue on with his career and we completely re-tooled our team. Its win/win/win for all involved and we move along.

Naww. I hope he loses all his teeth due to not using his mouthguard.

[djsFlames]

Tkachuk was always a great pest that could boil the blood of opponents until he was actually challenged & threatened. Then he shriveled up into a baby Pennywise.

Worse off, while not only shrinking to physical challenges, his on ice performance would diminish as well.

Kassian, Muzzin, Doughty.

He did well at the outset but after those guys blew their tops or responded with similar asshat-ery, he went quietly into the night.

I feel like Kadri just won't do the same when challenged. This is why I'm really excited about the Tkachuk-Kadri portion of the retool.

Kadri will walk that line physically and he doesn't GAF.

[Vinny01]

I feel like Tkachuk was always angling to get out of town as soon as he could but without being a total jerk about it. He was rumored to be seeking a 5 year deal in RFA and then signed a deal that let him get out in 3. He absolutely should have been named captain if he stayed in my opinion but I am not in the room.

I don’t believe Tkachuk was sincere he said he a absolutely wanted to sign here long term. His reasoning seemed like he was making it up as he was going. I also do not believe he chose Florida for the chance to win as the main reason. Sure they are a decent team but have a horrible history and have traded much of their future to win now. I think he chose Florida for the lifestyle, weather, taxes and he thought that was best for him.

I am more than pleased with the return for Chucky and he was my favorite player when he was here so I don’t hate him by any means. I just don’t buy anything that comes out of his mouth.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I never viewed Tkachuk as captain material. Laughable and selfish he ever thought he deserved it over guys like Backlund, Monahan, or Tanev.

[Jay Random]

In chess, a pawn can be promoted to a queen.

Tkachuk is a knight who heard about that rule and wanted to become the king.

[TheSquatch]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I never viewed Tkachuk as captain material. Laughable and selfish he ever thought he deserved it over guys like Backlund, Monahan, or Tanev.

Totally agree. I thought the "Tkachuk for Captain" crowd were utterly misguided. A selfish and entitled player, much happier to see a worker like Backlund or Lindholm with the C.

[FusionX]

Originally Posted by AC

I loved Tkachuk as a Flame and I appreciate that he facilitated a sign and trade which benefited us.

But I don't like the narrative that he did it to help the Flames. He did it specifically to get out now, and to maximize a new contract off of last season's 100+ point production which he wouldn't be able to do without Gaudreau/Lindholm and another miracle season. It just happened to also benefit the Flames.

Originally Posted by butterfly

Regardless of motivation, it did help the Flames. He could have named one team instead of giving a list of them. Whether or not he did that to help the Flames or to capitalize on last year's stats knowing there would be no line with Gaudreau/Lindholm this year, who knows.

100% with AC on this one and regardless of how Gaudreau's departure went down (both in respect to what we got back in return or the optics), I find it unfortunate that it's likely Johnny will get booed in his return and Tkachuk not (for the record, I don't think either should be, but that's me).

Tkachuk did what he had to for himself, period. It may come across as helping the team, but if Tkachuk could somehow force the Flames to trade him to only one particular team, and still ensure he got paid, I don't doubt for a second he'd do it.

As it stands, he simply HAD to give at least a few teams where he'd be willing to sign for big bucks at because the potential alternative was not being moved and playing here for another year and likely ending up with a lower payday.

At the end of the day, I agree with the people that think Gaudreau/his agent didn't handle things well and overall, they're just not as shrewd as Tkachuk and his were. But if I had to bet who truly thought more for the team behind closed doors? My money's on Gaudreau.

[Sandman]

Would we have fared better in the Edmonton series if our 2 best players actually cared about the team enough to find another level?

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by FusionX

100% with AC on this one and regardless of how Gaudreau's departure went down (both in respect to what we got back in return or the optics), I find it unfortunate that it's likely Johnny will get booed in his return and Tkachuk not (for the record, I don't think either should be, but that's me).

Tkachuk did what he had to for himself, period. It may come across as helping the team, but if Tkachuk could somehow force the Flames to trade him to only one particular team, and still ensure he got paid, I don't doubt for a second he'd do it.

As it stands, he simply HAD to give at least a few teams where he'd be willing to sign for big bucks at because the potential alternative was not being moved and playing here for another year and likely ending up with a lower payday.

At the end of the day, I agree with the people that think Gaudreau/his agent didn't handle things well and overall, they're just not as shrewd as Tkachuk and his were. But if I had to bet who truly thought more for the team behind closed doors? My money's on Gaudreau.

I don't think I was disagreeing with AC and I don't disagree with you either (with respect to Gaudreau). But Tkachuk's willingness to list multiple teams inarguably helped the Flames maximize their return.

I don't think he had to do that. Had it been "Florida or bust", or "St. Louis or bust", which he easily could have said, it would have changed things.

The Tkachuk camp had no idea if the teams on the list were even willing to pay big bucks until Treliving negotiated the trade and allowed them to talk to Zito.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Would we have fared better in the Edmonton series if our 2 best players actually cared about the team enough to find another level?

We would've scored more goals at least which would've better supported them in their hopes of ousting them, Markstroms deflating performance aside.

Gaudreau and Tkachuk did a load of nothing between the first and last games.

Really effing disappointing after overcoming Dallas and Oettinger. They looked like they decided they were done and ready to go back to the cabin/beach house after their glorious game 7 triumph.

I mean ffs, you don't just phone in the first BOA in 3 decades.

Their nationality was definitely showing with the lack of heart on display.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Cole436

According to Sens fans, some reporter apparently said Brady has a similar clause in his contract. But I’m not sure how factual that is.

Good for Brady, but I'd be pissed as a Fan.

That is just not how that works.

Could you imagine how pissed a Coach would be if his GM signed away his authority to appoint a Captain?

Its just wrong in every aspect of Team Culture and Corporate Structure. You really, really, really have to be sure that the benefits out-weigh the consequences.

In Ottawa that might not be so bad because they are eons away from competing.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

We would've scored more goals at least which would've better supported them in their hopes of ousting them, Markstroms deflating performance aside.

Gaudreau and Tkachuk did a load of nothing between the first and last games.

Really effing disappointing after overcoming Dallas and Oettinger. They looked like they decided they were done and ready to go back to the cabin/beach house after their glorious game 7 triumph.

I mean ffs, you don't just phone in the first BOA in 3 decades.

Their nationality was definitely showing with the lack of heart on display.

I don't think either one care about the BOA, they just don't seem to hate the Oilers enough. I hope the new comer hate the Oilers like the fans do, I'm sure Kadri hate them after last playoff.

[Jason14h]

This is getting out of hand . MT doesn’t hate the oilers? Remember Kassian ?

Come on - just because we lost and they left let’s not go full insanity and start completely questioning their character and will to win

We had multi goal leads in 3 of the 5 games ( or at least game 1 and 2, can’t remember game 5 if it was 1 or 2 goals lead ). Let’s not act like we rolled over and didn’t compete

We had a goalie who couldn’t stop a beach ball , and no answer for the Oilers top 4 players ( Including Hyman )

Sometimes things go sideways and you loose . Look at TB vs Columbus

[FusionX]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I don't think I was disagreeing with AC and I don't disagree with you either (with respect to Gaudreau). But Tkachuk's willingness to list multiple teams inarguably helped the Flames maximize their return.

I don't think he had to do that. Had it been "Florida or bust", or "St. Louis or bust", which he easily could have said, it would have changed things.

The Tkachuk camp had no idea if the teams on the list were even willing to pay big bucks until Treliving negotiated the trade and allowed them to talk to Zito.

I had a bunch of stuff typed out but it just a wall of text.

I don't disagree with yourself much either and it certainly is true that having multiple teams to work with ended up benefiting the Flames/Treliving.

Where I do differ, and I think AC as well (by his post), is that I don't believe Tkachuk was in any position to give the Flames an ultimatum trade request if he wanted to guarantee as much as possible all that he wanted (off the Flames + big money).

Given this, and hence my posting in agreement with AC, I feel it slightly unjustified how much goodwill Tkachuk has garnered in comparison with the vitriol towards Gaudreau (and they will forever be compared imo). This is why I used the word "shrewd" in my previous post, because I think that is what Tkachuk and his team are. They got what they wanted geographically and contractually, while at the same time, able to maintain a decent image in the court of public opinion. I think back to the slight shade in his comments about being "open with the team" as well as how he continues to "hate Edmonton" but now it's "also Tampa" and can't help but be amazed at his/his team's PR skills.

As I said before, I wouldn't boo either of them, but I certainly would cheer louder at Gaudreau's welcome back montage compared with Tkachuk's.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by Locke

Good for Brady, but I'd be pissed as a Fan.

That is just not how that works.

Could you imagine how pissed a Coach would be if his GM signed away his authority to appoint a Captain?

Its just wrong in every aspect of Team Culture and Corporate Structure. You really, really, really have to be sure that the benefits out-weigh the consequences.

In Ottawa that might not be so bad because they are eons away from competing.

Apparently it's on this podcast around the 14:30 mark. It's in French, so I can pick up a bit of it, but someone more fluent would need to confirm it.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

In chess, a pawn can be promoted to a queen.

Tkachuk is a knight who heard about that rule and wanted to become the king.

Man who run behind car, get exhausted.


It takes many screws to build a crib, but only one to fill it.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Cole436

Apparently it's on this podcast around the 14:30 mark. It's in French, so I can pick up a bit of it, but someone more fluent would need to confirm it.

Wow. Okay. As someone who is fluent in French...yup.

Apparently Giroux is pissed that Brady is the Captain because he has no experience, especially not when the season gets rough or in the playoffs but it was contractual which pissed off a veteran like Giroux even more.

So if Brady asked for it then its not inconceivable that Matthew asked for it too. In which case I'm really glad that Treliving shipped him to Florida.

If it caused a rift in a non-competing lockerroom like Ottawa I cant imagine what a similar clause would have done here in Calgary.

See ya Chucky....Buh-Bye!

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by Locke

Wow. Okay. As someone who is fluent in French...yup.

Apparently Giroux is pissed that Brady is the Captain because he has no experience, especially not when the season gets rough or in the playoffs but it was contractual which pissed off a veteran like Giroux even more.

So if Brady asked for it then its not inconceivable that Matthew asked for it too. In which case I'm really glad that Treliving shipped him to Florida.

If it caused a rift in a non-competing lockerroom like Ottawa I cant imagine what a similar clause would have done here in Calgary.

See ya Chucky....Buh-Bye!

That just makes me feel gross. I can't imagine how toxic an environment like that could spiral into. I'm really glad Tre made the right call and got him out of here.

[memphusk]

I'm out of the loop on this but Giroux signed with a team that already has a Captain before he was part of the team and he's upset?

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by memphusk

I'm out of the loop on this but Giroux signed with a team that already has a Captain before he was part of the team and he's upset?

I'm guessing it comes out of the old "Always earned, never given" mantra.