I can agree with both sides of the trade down debate. But if its true that the Flames have a ledge after #6 on their list then I think you don't trade down.
Yeah. I am assuming that they are coming to this draft to get "big + skilled" - there is a clear top 6 in that regard it seems, so we are drafting Brown, unless something unforeseen happens at 4 and/or 5. If you are open to defensemen and guys like Keller and Jost, then you can trade down. Correct me if I am wrong, but if you specifically want (a) big, (b) skilled, (c) forward, it's a pretty straightforward top 6. Amirite?
The London Knight PBP voice on Tkachuk, Juolevi, etc. Answers Tkachuk vs Juolevi. Answers the question whether Tkachuk is riding Marner/Dvorak's coattails. Thinks Tkachuk has a chance to make the NHL before Marner. Talks Juolevi's upside, how he's handled increased physical play in the playoffs. Pretty interesting interview from someone who has seen those players a ton this year.
I think I like trading down, from my limited knowledge perspective. Would I rather have Nylander/Brown or Jost + Fabbro/Gauthier? Well, since I have no issues with picking Jost at 6, seems like a good deal to me. Since I fail to see a big spread from 4 to 15-20, I would much rather have 2 of those guys than one. Doubles the chance that someone "outperforms"...
I would rather package other assets and move up to get another player in the top 15 than move down from 6 to get 2, somewhat lesser prospects than the #6 pick will get us.
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Yeah. I am assuming that they are coming to this draft to get "big + skilled" - there is a clear top 6 in that regard it seems, so we are drafting Brown, unless something unforeseen happens at 4 and/or 5. If you are open to defensemen and guys like Keller and Jost, then you can trade down. Correct me if I am wrong, but if you specifically want (a) big, (b) skilled, (c) forward, it's a pretty straightforward top 6. Amirite?
I'm not convinced that the Flames top 6 has to be all forwards. I think they could definitely have a defensemen in that grouping who they think has top pairing potential.
I'm not convinced that the Flames top 6 has to be all forwards. I think they could definitely have a defensemen in that grouping who they think has top pairing potential.
I don't know - if you are looking for obvious ledges, there are exactly 6 big, skilled forwards.
I would rather package other assets and move up to get another player in the top 15 than move down from 6 to get 2, somewhat lesser prospects than the #6 pick will get us.
Yeah I like the idea of trading that #28 pick up into the late teens or early 20's to get someone top 15-20 on our list.
I would rather package other assets and move up to get another player in the top 15 than move down from 6 to get 2, somewhat lesser prospects than the #6 pick will get us.
Sure, it's better to pick 6th and 13th than just 6th. I am just saying, based on who is available, I prefer 13th + 19th to 6th. But if you can stay at 6th and add another top 15, by all means...
Sure, it's better to pick 6th and 13th than just 6th. I am just saying, based on who is available, I prefer 13th + 19th to 6th. But if you can stay at 6th and add another top 15, by all means...
Do you take the 13th + 19th only if both Dubois and Tkachuk have been taken, or would you still make the trade if one of them were still on the board?
If Dallas can knock off St Louis, we are looking at something like the 28th and 35th picks, along with about the 56th and 65th picks.
Quantity we have. Trading more quality for quantity makes no sense.
I would rather trade some of the quantity for more quality.
Sucks that Klimchuk/Poirier are coming off such crappy years. A year ago they might have held enough value to add to those picks to get into the top ~12
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Sure. But Brown isn't top 10 on some people's list. And some scouts have defensemen in the top 6. It's really hard to say.
Again, I am just looking for an obvious group where there is a ledge after 6. As our need seems to be a skilled, power forward, this grouping is logical from the Flames perspective. If you are open to defensemen, the top 6 is much muddier (because I only have superficial information, so I cannot say which of those of those 3 defensemen is "better").
Do you take the 13th + 19th only if both Dubois and Tkachuk have been taken, or would you still make the trade if one of them were still on the board?
I would do it regardless, since I can see a whole bunch of players being the "best" after the big 3 are gone. Maybe Jost; maybe Keller; maybe Juolevi, etc.
Yeah I like the idea of trading that #28 pick up into the late teens or early 20's to get someone top 15-20 on our list.
No!!! The Dallas pick ( whatever it wil be) and the 2nd's need to be held to pick up a starting goalie. Not syaing we need all of them, but one of them for sure is going to be needed for starting goalie. Much rather have a starting goalie than another prospect in the high teens.
No!!! The Dallas pick ( whatever it wil be) and the 2nd's need to be held to pick up a starting goalie. Not syaing we need all of them, but one of them for sure is going to be needed for starting goalie. Much rather have a starting goalie than another prospect in the high teens.
In a way, I agree. If the Flames do decide to make an aggressive offer on Andersen or Varlamov, the potential Dallas 1st is very like to be a part of the package. And this type of trade may be a priority before the draft.
That being said, it would also be nice to have a higher pick in the teens. It seems like we have a lot of decent prospects in our organization. I'd rather have a few more high quality ones.
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There's some great grabs in the late first if we get that pick though, perhaps it's time we start covering them.
German Rubstov
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"He is a very strong skater with excellent acceleration and balance. But mix in his mobility with strength and tenacity, and you get a coach’s dream. Rubtsov is a “big play” center who preys on the weak, and his superior playmaking ability and vision enables him to be used in key situations regardless of which end of the scoreboard his team is on. He’s an extremely competitive leader who will involve himself physically if the game is in need of a momentum shift. "
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A powerful kid who uses both his brains and skill to outplay his opponent. He has some skating issues that will need work, but is hard to contain down low and can really be dangerous deep in the offensive zone. He just owns the boards, protects the puck and wills himself to win most one-on-one battles. His shot is pro caliber, and he needs little space or time to put the puck in the net
Markus Niemelainen
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A complete all-around defenceman that makes the game look easy. Natural size and strength compliment his smooth stride. Very mobile skater who moves up and down the ice quickly, with acute recognition of puck and body position. His maturity and poise is actualized in his high-percentage decision-making, with and without the puck, as well as his proactive stick and body play. Very stable defensively and always takes his lane, but is quick to rush the puck up the ice as he recognizes and accounts for how much time his team is spending in their own end. All-in-all, a quick-thinking defenceman that, honestly lacking nothing, has the potential to develop into a reliable two-way defenceman. (Curtis Joe, EP 2016) - See more at: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player....B2PPl146.dpuf
Cameron Morrison
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A big, strong all-around player that thinks the game at a high level and executes plays with purpose and drive. Accelerates well and has no issues getting around the ice with haste; transition game will need some tweaks. Very good vision and puck skills, and has the size to make a difference driving to the net and causing havoc for the opposition's defence. Defensively sound, using his size to his advantage along the boards and getting his stick in place to deflect passes out of harm's way. Moving forward, Morrison will have every opportunity to develop into a smart power forward that can play in all situations and make it difficult on the opposition. - See more at: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player....5pkozbr1.dpuf
Nathan Bastien
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Things are really starting to pick up speed for Bastian, a 6-foot-4, 208-pound force in Mississauga. He originally came onto the radar as the left winger on Sauga’s top line with fellow 2016 draft prospects Mikey McLeod and Alexander Nylander, but a lower-body injury to McLeod has Bastian at pivot now. In the three games since McLeod went down, Bastian has five points and the Steelheads are undefeated. The first game saw Bastian go head-to-head with Erie super prospect Dylan Strome and hold his own. The kid did play center as a rookie, but bouncing back and forth this year has been a great experience."
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Big and really can skate well., and advances the puck well. Displays a strong stride, nice passing skills, and is committed to playing a 200 foot game. Needs to build his underdeveloped frame. Looks like he might poject as the big center teams look for. Committed to the University of North Dakota.
In some cases, there's a good chance that even if the Flames do not get the Dallas 1st, that some of the guys will be available at the Flames pick in the 2nd round as well. Got my eye on Benson and Neimelainen to be there. Niemelainen looks to be a steal at 6'6 205 lbs already.
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Sucks that Klimchuk/Poirier are coming off such crappy years. A year ago they might have held enough value to add to those picks to get into the top ~12
Does anyone outside of the top 3 have greater potential than either of those prospects? You're moving a guy with middle six potential for a guy with middle six potential. You're just dragging out the development cycle and hoping for a development spike.
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I would be absolutely thrilled to walk away with this draft with Nylander and Bastian. Bastian is big 6'4 210 pounds, and only recently turned 18. He is a good skater for his size, and can play a physical game(still could be meaner). He excels on the PK, and prides his game on being good at all aspects. He has very good playmaking skills and scores his goals from driving the net. He reminds me a ton of Ryan Getzlaf. Oh, by the way he's a right shot.
Drafting both of the steelheads forwards would give us a huge boost to our RW depth. Lines could play out like.
I would be absolutely thrilled to walk away with this draft with Nylander and Bastian. Bastian is big 6'4 210 pounds, and only recently turned 18. He is a good skater for his size, and can play a physical game(still could be meaner). He excels on the PK, and prides his game on being good at all aspects. He has very good playmaking skills and scores his goals from driving the net. He reminds me a ton of Ryan Getzlaf. Oh, by the way he's a right shot.
Drafting both of the steelheads forwards would give us a huge boost to our RW depth. Lines could play out like.
This is of course barring those players develop as well as you hope, but hey I like the looks of those lines!
I would be thrilled as well. For me I think Nylander and Bastian are the main power on that line and they make McLeod look much better than he is. Interesting that I see a lot of OHL and especially the Knights and dammage79 seems to think Tkatchuk is what McLeod actually is, the passenger that is made to look good by his linemates. Tkatchuk is the real deal, he can thrive without Marner and Dvorak. McLeod looks absolutely lost without Nylander and Bastian.
Sure, it's better to pick 6th and 13th than just 6th. I am just saying, based on who is available, I prefer 13th + 19th to 6th. But if you can stay at 6th and add another top 15, by all means...
according to the old NHL draft value chart, if the Dallas pick is a first then it and the Flames own second pick gets you to around 15.
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I am just saying, based on who is available, I prefer 13th + 19th to 6th. But if you can stay at 6th and add another top 15, by all means...
