2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Nurse + Eberle for Harmonic + Okoposo? Interesting.

Mind you I think the Oilers would hope they can hang on to Nurse as he is their one lone bright spot on defense.

this looks good, though I think the Oilers get the better of the deal... perhaps it'll play out that way if the Isles are pressured into a move.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Dime_On_Flames

Would you guys be okay with Gio for Hamonic straight up? Offensive skill and leadership are washed by age and contract price?

I like this idea.. at least to strongly consider... I see this as a tough trade to sell the fans, though... I'm not sure if teams consider things like that or not

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

this looks good, though I think the Oilers get the better of the deal... perhaps it'll play out that way if the Isles are pressured into a move.

Won't look good for Edmonton if Okposo leaves as a UFA at the end of the year.

Eberle is close to fair value for Hamonic IMO. I don't think the Oilers will want to part with him though. Also, the Isles want a quality Dman back, so that likely ends Edmonton's hopes of acquiring Hamonic right there.

[IgiTang]

Would Snow consider Hudler + Wideman ( salary retained) + one of our good prospects in Poirier, Klimchuk or hate to say, Jankowski + 2nd for Okposo and Hamonic?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Would Snow consider Hudler + Wideman ( salary retained) + one of our good prospects in Poirier, Klimchuk or hate to say, Jankowski + 2nd for Okposo and Hamonic?

Based on what they're reportedly needing back in a trade, no they wouldn't. This isn't a player where you can package okay pieces together and get the player.

[Harry Lime]

Snow hasn't said specifically that it has to be a defenseman coming back, only a player of relative value. The Isles are pretty deep at defense, with quite a few solid prospects, as well. The holdup probably has a lot to do with the value that Snow puts on Hamonic, which understandably is pretty high.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Snow hasn't said specifically that it has to be a defenseman coming back, only a player of relative value. The Isles are pretty deep at defense, with quite a few solid prospects, as well. The holdup probably has a lot to do with the value that Snow puts on Hamonic, which understandably is pretty high.

Snow may not get what he wants though. Other teams might not be interested in a lateral move, they might like their version of Hamonic better than the actual Hamonic.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Snow hasn't said specifically that it has to be a defenseman coming back, only a player of relative value. The Isles are pretty deep at defense, with quite a few solid prospects, as well. The holdup probably has a lot to do with the value that Snow puts on Hamonic, which understandably is pretty high.

per Newsday, Snow specifically wants a top 4 d-man

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...est-1.11139974

"They're not just going to give him away," one source said, adding that Snow is seeking a commensurate return -- an established top-four defenseman, not prospects and/or draft picks. "He's their best defenseman."

[Poe969]

Aren't both Wideman and Russell top 4 guys? You'd have to think that if the Flames retained salary on Wideman that the isles would have interest in him.

If the isles really like Russell, what if the Flames signed him to an extension and then traded him to the isles while retaining salary? Russell would have to be a part of this conversation and agree to sign a deal with the Isles, it would just be the isles getting him at a decent deal and the Flames paying part of it.

I can't help but think they'd also want a winger like Hudler for their top 6.

[adc]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Aren't both Wideman and Russell top 4 guys?

No

Or at least I would prefer they didn't play too 4 on this team.

It's hard to imagine them both being top 4 on the Islanders ahead of Leddy, Boychuk and De Haan. I guess one would beat out Zdlicky to play I. The 2nd pairing but that is s big downgrade from Hamonic.

And with Strait and Hickey I am not sure they need quantity in defence, they need quality.

[Poe969]

I think they'd see Russell as a top 4 for sure...

[adc]

He would be the 4th guy in their top 4 and is a UFA asking (reportedly) for a good size contract. They get an older, worse and either more expensive or a guy who leaves.

How is that in any way appealing to them?

[JiriHrdina]

Problems with Wideman
- In the length of his contract with the Flames he had one good year. He has been terrible this year
- He has term left
- The Flames haven't shown much appetite to retain salary
- He's WAY older than Hamonic

I think Wideman has negative value right now. Next year you may be able to move him with no term left. Right now? I don't believe any team wants to take a chance on him.

If the Isles are trading Hamonic it just isn't about replacing him in terms of quality of player - they will probably want someone of similar age.

I don't see much of a fit for the Flames.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Problems with Wideman
- In the length of his contract with the Flames he had one good year. He has been terrible this year
- He has term left
- The Flames haven't shown much appetite to retain salary
- He's WAY older than Hamonic

I think Wideman has negative value right now. Next year you may be able to move him with no term left. Right now? I don't believe any team wants to take a chance on him.

If the Isles are trading Hamonic it just isn't about replacing him in terms of quality of player - they will probably want someone of similar age.

I don't see much of a fit for the Flames.

Agreed, they probably want one of Brodie, Hamilton... No point.

Then again, after Snow traded Moulson and a 1st for Vanek, he wanted the same value back for him at the deadline. He ended up getting pencil shavings.

[PlayfulGenius]

If I'm BT, I'm going in to this discussion with an assumption that I can get Hamonic at an unfair value.

If there's a pressure on the NYI side to make a move, then that is the potential here.

Russell is the exact type of player they can expect to receive in this situation...they can always just keep the disgruntled (not likely the right word) player, if they choose.

[sureLoss]

Hamonic told the media he is willing to stay the whole season with the Isles. Gives Snow leverage not to trade him for lesser pieces until the offseason.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Hamonic told the media he is willing to stay the whole season with the Isles. Gives Snow leverage not to trade him for lesser pieces until the offseason.

Well that was a fun 16 hours or so. I don't see any trades that will happen before the end of the year. I could see the Jets getting him in the summer as a Buff replacement. They might need to part with some good players but can probably do it.

I had hopes that a package around Russell++ could et it done but don't see that happening now

[sureLoss]

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
Eric Staal tells Sportsnet "I'd like to" re-sign w/ #Canes. "We haven't really set any hard deadlines."

If Staal feels this way, the best thing he could do for the Canes is let them trade him at the deadline and re-sign with Canes on July 1st.

[Husky]

Russell + 2nd round pick + Klimchuk for Hamonic

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Husky

Russell + 2nd round pick + Klimchuk for Hamonic

Is not getting it done. An upcoming UFA who is not a RH shot, a 2nd that could easily pan out to be nothing, and a prospect that is looking like injuries will always be an issue. And wtf is with people wanting to swap Gio for Harmonic? Gio has struggled but you don't trade your leader and a D man with elite skills for a 3-4 guy. Sometimes this board boggles my brain.