The Tariff Thread

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

How is tying ourselves tighter to the Titanic good for Canada? Unless...you like where things are heading down there?

The assumption in all of this is that Trump would honour the agreement.

On that you’re likely right. Iceberg dead ahead.

[Fuzz]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...st-2025-06-12/

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Problem is tariffs are like taxes.

I’ve always found sales taxes and income taxes are like taxes, too.

[puffnstuff]

https://bsky.app/profile/justinwolfe.../3m42lh3cahd2e

Trump’s authority for country-specific tariffs comes from the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which doesn’t mention tariffs—but does require a national emergency. An ad showing that Reagan opposed tariffs surely is not a national emergency. (It may be a personal one)


There was another post I couldnt find again about imported (to the US) goods and the cost of them. The graph shows those have not changed. But those goods cost US consumers more...so hard to figure out who pays the tariffs...

Here it is
https://bsky.app/profile/justinwolfe.../3m3yhstzzlc2k

[Manhattanboy]

Just what did Ford hope to achieve with those ads anyway?

That the US negotiators would suddenly change course?

Trump’s tantrum was entirely predictable.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...st-2025-06-12/

Umm, I don’t think this is the smoking gun you think it is. The US wants to devalue their dollar. A lower dollar means whatever the US exports will be cheaper for other countries to buy, so they will buy more. Imports to the US become more expensive, so the US might import less, consuming more domestic products. Some say it can also bring in more foreign investment.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

https://bsky.app/profile/justinwolfe.../3m42lh3cahd2e

Trump’s authority for country-specific tariffs comes from the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which doesn’t mention tariffs—but does require a national emergency. An ad showing that Reagan opposed tariffs surely is not a national emergency. (It may be a personal one)


There was another post I couldnt find again about imported (to the US) goods and the cost of them. The graph shows those have not changed. But those goods cost US consumers more...so hard to figure out who pays the tariffs...

Here it is
https://bsky.app/profile/justinwolfe.../3m3yhstzzlc2k

This is why, in response to this, Canada should play hardball. Really ratchet up the pressure on this tariff response by Trump and get congress upset about him hiding behind the IEEPA to enact these tariffs.

[puffnstuff]

Congress wont do anything, spineless Johnson has abdicated his authority to trump. Trump even joked yesterday how he is president and speaker of the house.
There is a Nov 5 hearing before the Supreme Court about the legality of these tariffs. A normal court would easily rule correctly but we all know what that court is like.
Oddly enough, trumps latest 10% due to the commercial would actually work against him (in a normal world at least)

[Slava]

Yes, but the idea has been floated that Trump has been told that he’s not going to win that Supreme Court challenge, and this is him getting ahead of that so he can blame Canada for these ads and influencing that situation. That makes complete sense to me, because we know that this is somehow not his fault and someone else did something abhorrent (like quoting a former President).

[Scroopy Noopers]

Calling Trump a little bitch is an insult to little bitches. It’s unbelievable to me that all these guys who think they are the “men of the men” worship him.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Umm, I don’t think this is the smoking gun you think it is. The US wants to devalue their dollar. A lower dollar means whatever the US exports will be cheaper for other countries to buy, so they will buy more. Imports to the US become more expensive, so the US might import less, consuming more domestic products. Some say it can also bring in more foreign investment.

Yes, we know what he is doing. It doesn't mean it's a good successful idea we should be eager to join in. Us booze may be cheaper, but no one is buying it. There are a lot of good reasons no other administration has chosen to devalue the currency, but it sounds like you've jumped on the stupid train, and believe Trump has a winning policy here. That says a lot more about your own understanding of how anything works which really isn't a surprise to anyone on CP who reads your posts.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Ironically, Doug Ford is being bashed relentlessly on reddit for stirring the pot and spending on this ad. Meanwhile Trump and MAGA are incensed that...err heavy left wing nut Ronald Reagan's words were used. Some even going so far as attributing the ad to AI when it was a speech in 1987.

It's like some people are so partisan and politized they completely forget what they actually care about.

Frankly, I think Doug Ford running this ad in the US is pure genius. Ontario is largest hit by the Stellantis and GM actions, they are hardest hit by US tariffs. It's an ad to evoke reaction, and it's working.

Just because we have a zealous dictator down south hell bent on destroying the US and Canada economically raging at anything, doesn't mean we need to stay quiet.

Frick, if Blue Jays win the World Series and he probably goes in the same rage telling trade talks are off. He's unstable.

I love that he claims it’s AI


The fellow who just posted a video of him dumping diarrhea on his own citizens

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

I love that he claims it’s AI


The fellow who just posted a video of him dumping diarrhea on his own citizens

The worst thing about AI is now anytime a politician is caught up with something or wants to brainwash their base, they can just say "no, that was AI."

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

The entire intent behind developing and using AI is now anytime a politician is caught up with something or wants to brainwash their base, they can just say "no, that was AI."

Edited to clarify.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Problem is tariffs are like taxes. Once enacted they hardly ever get repealed.

Days of free trade are over.

Canada should have considered (as in studied the merits of) a North American economic union along the lines proposed by O’Leary (which yes might have meant adoption of the US dollar). Probably off the table for the Americans in any event.

Nah.

Tariffs are like corporate taxes. They will get repealed as soon as someone with a level head gets in there.

[direwolf]

What's hilarious about all of this is that if Trump had simply behaved like an adult and not mentioned it, the Ontario ad would have just flown under the radar and nobody would've noticed it.

But thanks to his stupid childish outburst, millions of Americans have now checked it out and Reagan's original speech has gone viral. I'm guessing that's way more than the Ontario government thought possible when they originally launched it.

[Harry Lime]

I just watched the entire unedited Reagan address, and it's so much worse for trump in its pure form. Reagan just eviserates everything that Trump is doing.

I hope that it brings some clarity to a few republicans that maga is not conservative.

[bob-loblaw]

It seems to me that this is just an example of why any President shouldn't be able to levy tariffs. I think can levy them in emergency or security instances without congressional approval. Instead he calls off trade talks and increases tariffs because of a TV commercial. Maybe if the ad was for selling fentanyl to Americans I could see it. We'll see how many Supreme Court justices like Reagan more than Trump I suppose.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by bob-loblaw

It seems to me that this is just an example of why any President shouldn't be able to levy tariffs. I think can levy them in emergency or security instances without congressional approval. Instead he calls off trade talks and increases tariffs because of a TV commercial. Maybe if the ad was for selling fentanyl to Americans I could see it. We'll see how many Supreme Court justices like Reagan more than Trump I suppose.

I fully anticipate the SC will ultimately rule in favour of Trump. They're completely corrupt at this point, and so far have allowed all of this insane, illegal s*** to happen.

[Fuzz]

Nobody gives a #### about Reagan anymore.