CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[starseed]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I'm sorry to inform you but Delgar died.

What??!

I meant Drury

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by starseed

What??!

I meant Drury

Maybe you just got confused and thought you could talk to the dead again with help of MOT2.

[Timbo]

Mafia slip up All us townies look the same to them��

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by starseed

What??!

I meant Drury

Oh, call me fat and pink and then ask me to answer your questions. Let me guess, there is no queen in your kingdom King Dedede?

My invite came from the Guardians. This was the jist of it

Originally Posted by Drury18

At 6:28pm tonight I have received a message from the Guardians. I have opened the message, I have not responded to them. The message did not say that I could not discuss this before answering them and only that I was to answer within 24 hours.

The message says they saw me questioning GGG. It went on to say that the poisoning was a shock to them as they weren't paying attention to the game. They said it wouldn't be the so bad if GGG dies, but it would be a pain as they just started ganging up on the Eternals.

They want to play a cruel joke on me and offer me membership to the Guardians. They also want me and GGG to become best of friends. If GGG gets murdered, they want me to take his place.

They have offered me Watching powers for tomorrow night in return for a membership. They said it's fair as they gave GGG tracker powers for an evening.

They finished saying they trust I will make the right choice.


I have 24 hours to make a decision.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GGG

Well Rathji, if your not the cop we don't have one.

Or I could be lying. Or someone else could be lying. Hard to say in this game.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Still digging I see

I sure am,

I do think that in twilight whoever the cop is should come prepared to disclose who they are. Up to the cop of course but at that point I will have not been lynched and you will see me seeking the disclosure of our cop today is not because I am mafia and instead because at best their is a 50/50 chance of you living (pursuming you are one of the 4 named). So if the cop has any verified townies that haven't been already verified it is worth coming out.

We don't get any more mistakes.

Are we at least in agreement that when I am still around in twilight that it proves me town? Or will this still be an issue on Wednesday.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GGG

Are we at least in agreement that when I am still around in twilight that it proves me town? Or will this still be an issue on Wednesday.

Naw, if you make it through this lynching we will just string you up again. Just because you have a one time unlynchable power that does not mean you are town. The fact that you keep pushing that as fact makes it very suspicious

[GGG]

Eternals vs Guardians.

We wasted a lot of time on this over the course of the game and nothing has come out of it. We know that Eternal powers don't work or we will in a few hours. We believe guardian powers to work. One thing I have noticed is that there were no more invites today except for the one from the unknown group. If it were tied to a win condition they would still be recruiting even if it was failing.

My opinion is that there is one mafia person with the power to send invites and they came up with the guardians and the eternals. A very ingenious concept by Mazrim. This person can give out powers that work (maybe, still don't know if guardian powers work) and powers that don't work. I don't think Mafia members can join, it would be the consequence of causing confusion. Get to many people joining and the town figures it out and you lose. This is used to create confusion between the town and did an excellent job.

If you look at the invites it goes

GP_matt - town
Starseed - town
RD - town
Girlysports - claims to have gotten an invite at a time everyone wanted everyone to decline, very convenient this is the only real scummy name on the list.
Mrkajz - declines, town
GGG - town (soon you will see guys)
Drury - declines - likely town (though I am still a little suspicious)
Rathji - accepts - likely town per Oling
I call for the eternals to give us an extra power which would enhance their win condition if it was related. We don't get an invite
Formulate - Gets the power just in time to frame me. - SK.
Diss - Claimed another third party invite - a little suspicious but not sure how to react.

I think I am missing a few of the declines but others can fill in.

Today a broken bulletproof vest gets offered just to make us think there is more out there because we have quit talking about eternals and guardians.

So what does this do for us. First we shouldn't worry about them or any of these other messages becauase they aren't likely tied to win condition.

Second the people on the list who have accepted should be considered town. I am a little more aprehensive about if the people who declined are as safe. Especially the first one which was the perfect opportunity for girly to gain some town cred. Though that may be confirmation bias as I see her as pretty scummy. Also convenient for Diss to as he is on the list of unknowns.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Naw, if you make it through this lynching we will just string you up again. Just because you have a one time unlynchable power that does not mean you are town. The fact that you keep pushing that as fact makes it very suspicious

The second lynch is not a bad idea. As I posted earlier the math, provided there are no more mystery kills works out for that. It also gives us an extra night to use any powers that may be out there.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GGG

Are we at least in agreement that when I am still around in twilight that it proves me town? Or will this still be an issue on Wednesday.

Definitely not with me. That doesn't mean I'll autovote you (because we do have night actions and reveals) but I'll have to cross that bridge when we get there.

Simply don't see how your last couple posts trying to out the cop can be town driven. The cop knows what he/she knows. If the cop thought it was time to reveal we already would have had the reveal. You trying to get the cop to reveal before night actions seem like a last ditch effort to get the cop to reveal so you have a 100% shot.

There's multiple reasons for the cop not to reveal. They have hidden themselves, maybe through lies, and believe they have a chance at survival.

They don't know anything, might have pulled a Starseed and used their power on Delgar and Bizaro/Devo. So their reveal is useless and doesn't matter, getting another shot at an investigation is worth keeping quiet and making the mafia second guess.

They do know something, but they have left us posts to figure it out.

Whatever it is, they have decided not to reveal. Yet you keep digging in hopes of finding the cop. Why? to blow their head off tonight? It's the only answer I can think of.

[Drury18]

GGG, your begging for us to believe you are town is getting pathetic. How many more times are you going to threaten us with your "ability", reveal something, try to get the cop to out themselves, deflect blame to someone else you have a weak case on and then ask if that's good enough to be believed as town.

If it hasn't worked yet, not sure how it's going to work going forward. Plus, what other players have gone to this extent to beg to be believed as town?

And like Diss said, you might have a one-shot lynch proof. I'd be willing to string you up the second time to get the job done. It's pretty much impossible that you can't be lynched. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lynchproof

[squiggs96]

Pika is half expecting GGG to claim he is the cop, and that this whole thing was a ruse to keep him from being killed.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GGG

Eternals vs Guardians.

We wasted a lot of time on this over the course of the game and nothing has come out of it. We know that Eternal powers don't work or we will in a few hours. We believe guardian powers to work. One thing I have noticed is that there were no more invites today except for the one from the unknown group. If it were tied to a win condition they would still be recruiting even if it was failing.

My opinion is that there is one mafia person with the power to send invites and they came up with the guardians and the eternals. A very ingenious concept by Mazrim. This person can give out powers that work (maybe, still don't know if guardian powers work) and powers that don't work. I don't think Mafia members can join, it would be the consequence of causing confusion. Get to many people joining and the town figures it out and you lose. This is used to create confusion between the town and did an excellent job.

If you look at the invites it goes

GP_matt - town
Starseed - town
RD - town
Girlysports - claims to have gotten an invite at a time everyone wanted everyone to decline, very convenient this is the only real scummy name on the list.
Mrkajz - declines, town
GGG - town (soon you will see guys)
Drury - declines - likely town (though I am still a little suspicious)
Rathji - accepts - likely town per Oling
I call for the eternals to give us an extra power which would enhance their win condition if it was related. We don't get an invite
Formulate - Gets the power just in time to frame me. - SK.
Diss - Claimed another third party invite - a little suspicious but not sure how to react.

I think I am missing a few of the declines but others can fill in.

Today a broken bulletproof vest gets offered just to make us think there is more out there because we have quit talking about eternals and guardians.

So what does this do for us. First we shouldn't worry about them or any of these other messages becauase they aren't likely tied to win condition.

Second the people on the list who have accepted should be considered town. I am a little more aprehensive about if the people who declined are as safe. Especially the first one which was the perfect opportunity for girly to gain some town cred. Though that may be confirmation bias as I see her as pretty scummy. Also convenient for Diss to as he is on the list of unknowns.

Why would I make it up? Oh, and I don't know if the bulletproof vest would not work, they told me it was stolen from the Eternals and given the track record there I assumed on my own it would not work. Then there was the Rathji thing, why would I come up with that? What benefit at all would there be to saying any of it?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Definitely not with me. That doesn't mean I'll autovote you (because we do have night actions and reveals) but I'll have to cross that bridge when we get there.

Simply don't see how your last couple posts trying to out the cop can be town driven. The cop knows what he/she knows. If the cop thought it was time to reveal we already would have had the reveal. You trying to get the cop to reveal before night actions seem like a last ditch effort to get the cop to reveal so you have a 100% shot.

There's multiple reasons for the cop not to reveal. They have hidden themselves, maybe through lies, and believe they have a chance at survival.

They don't know anything, might have pulled a Starseed and used their power on Delgar and Bizaro/Devo. So their reveal is useless and doesn't matter, getting another shot at an investigation is worth keeping quiet and making the mafia second guess.

They do know something, but they have left us posts to figure it out.

Whatever it is, they have decided not to reveal. Yet you keep digging in hopes of finding the cop. Why? to blow their head off tonight? It's the only answer I can think of.

As i have said before if the cop is not one of the four that has been listed or if can't clear anyone they should stay hidden. If not they will die tonight. I keep digging because I believe its in the best interest of the town to disclose the cop given the conditions and no one else seemed to even want to have the discussion.

Everyone should have an opinion on how many people the cop should be able to prove innocent before they reveal. Only 3 or 4 have.

If the town doesnt trust me tomorrow you should automate and lynch me again. It makes no difference to the numbers. Will you guys trust me after 2 lynched?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GGG

If the town doesnt trust me tomorrow you should automate and lynch me again. It makes no difference to the numbers. Will you guys trust me after 2 lynched?

I don't trust anything that keeps coming back from the dead.

[Rathji]

I don't care when the cop reveals. Has no bearing on you and you will be dead before the cop is, even if you have lynch proof

[GirlySports]

Why would I make it up when I was the 2nd one to get it and transcribed it to Starseed's agreement.

And why do I need town-cred?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Drury18

GGG, your begging for us to believe you are town is getting pathetic. How many more times are you going to threaten us with your "ability", reveal something, try to get the cop to out themselves, deflect blame to someone else you have a weak case on and then ask if that's good enough to be believed as town.

If it hasn't worked yet, not sure how it's going to work going forward. Plus, what other players have gone to this extent to beg to be believed as town?

And like Diss said, you might have a one-shot lynch proof. I'd be willing to string you up the second time to get the job done. It's pretty much impossible that you can't be lynched. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lynchproof

I dont think i have revealed anything. I am the only one scum hunting today. I also understand why Timbo blew up at everyone.

The reason i keep asking what it will take to be believed as town is i won't get night killed if I still am a suspect. So at some point you have to decide to move on or lynch someone else.

The mafia has played us like a fiddle. You really need to ask yourself why formulate got that last kill. But of course you guys dont know the powers dont work.

So i am left with one final play for today.

Dont lynch me on this game day and i will make 1 final post of all my suspicions and then cease to post. So you lynch someone else today. I will only post again after i have been lynched once.

The benefit is you get me out of the way of influencing decisions and since you know i am scum you can lynch me anytime.

The advantage to the town if i am town is you dont waste a lynch. The only disadvantage if i am scum is that i might have a power i can use. At this point though i dont think the scum powers have much value.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Why would I make it up when I was the 2nd one to get it and transcribed it to Starseed's agreement.

And why do I need town-cred?

Did you transcribe it first or did you just agree with starseed?

[GirlySports]

Starseed never transcribed it. I was first.

He just agreed.