2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[GioforPM]

I’m happy to platoon Gawdin, Rinaldo and Robinson on the 4th. Rinaldo’s fast and aggressive, Gawdin’s smart and plays decent defence, Robinson is huge and hits. We’re talking about guys who get 5-7 minutes a game. I’m not overly fussed.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I agree that I don't want Rinaldo in a position to be in the line up every night, or being bumped up to the 3rd line in case of injuries. I highly doubt that'll be the case though.

Dominik Kahun



Lots of vet UFA forwards of all shapes, sizes, ages and styles still kicking around out there and will have to settle for league minimum contracts or PTO's.

Kahun would be a good depth player to replace Quine or Czarnik. He's butter soft, but not a bad player to have up your sleeve.

If Athanasiou was willing to sign a reasonable deal, I think he should be a target.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Imagine what it will look like if we trade Ryan (like a lot of posters are suggesting)

If you move Ryan for a pick you could bring in an entire 4th line with his caphit.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Kahun would be a good depth player to replace Quine or Czarnik. He's butter soft, but not a bad player to have up your sleeve.

If Athanasiou was willing to sign a reasonable deal, I think he should be a target.

I wonder if Athanasiou would sign an 800k contract. Seems like he has too much pride IMO. But if we could keep Ryan and use him on the bottom line, ryan could baby sit him defensively and we could just let him run the puck up the ice and score his ~15 goals.

I have been against signing him in the past but if he's willing to accept a slightly above minimum contract it would be an excellent snag. The key here is that we need to keep a solid defensive presence on the line with him or he probably ends up costing the team more goals than he will score.

[bigpete]

Rieder Ryan Gawdin would have looked pretty good as a 4th line.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I wonder if Athanasiou would sign an 800k contract. Seems like he has too much pride IMO. But if we could keep Ryan and use him on the bottom line, ryan could baby sit him defensively and we could just let him run the puck up the ice and score his ~15 goals.

I have been against signing him in the past but if he's willing to accept a slightly above minimum contract it would be an excellent snag. The key here is that we need to keep a solid defensive presence on the line with him or he probably ends up costing the team more goals than he will score.

He ain’t scoring 15 from the 4th line. Maybe if he’s included on the pp, but speed isn’t really a powerplay asset.

If a guy with his wheels ever learned defence he’d be a very useful player. The fact he hasn’t gotten that by now is a red flag for other aspects of the game.

[Classic_Sniper]

Wow, after reading over the last few pages, i have to say, some of the posts in here are insanely out of touch. I get people aren’t happy with Gaudreau’s playoff performances. But really? Critiquing him on how predictable he has become or how teams have figured him out as if he’s peaked or something?

Yeah no. Since his arrival to this league, only 8 players have out scored him (points) which is a testament to his consistency and durability. Secondly, an even more impressive feat is what he does at even strength where he sits top 5 in points. The players ahead of him? Kane, Kucherov, Crosby and McDavid. That’s it. Johnny Gaudreau is a helluva player and this fanbase continually takes him for granted for whatever reason.

Yes, he is not without his faults, but he was also taken 104th overall, so yes, he has flaws. He’s not some generational #1 pick here. So I don’t understand the constant expectation of perfection from him while others are scathe free in comparison. What he does, still helps this team make the playoffs which is not a guarantee with this franchise at all.

I can only imagine the wrath and despair that would follow if the Flames missed the playoffs next season because they couldn’t score. Unfortunately for Treliving, he doesn’t get do-overs or mulligans, so he can’t be wrong on this. Now with Taylor Hall heading to Buffalo, I don’t see a suitable replacement that’ll actually improve this team.

So in my opinion, he should stay put. A lot of people here might not think he’s anything special, but he’s a rare talent whose production is up there with some of the league’s very best. So give the man a bit of break instead of tearing apart his game or his lifestyle bit by bit.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by bigpete

Rieder Ryan Gawdin would have looked pretty good as a 4th line.

Still choked we couldnt get Rieder back at that cap hit. Agreed that this line probably would have looked good too. But as others have pointed out, it seems like he was looking for more playing time (3rd line role) and Buffalo can offer him that.

[GioforPM]

If Ryan plays 4th line, his cap hit outweighs his ice time for sure. But I suppose we have to consider the possibility Bennett’s POs were an anomaly and he doesn’t work out as a 3C. In that case, you need Ryan a lot more.

[the-rasta-masta]

The more I think about it the more it seems likely that Rittich might be traded. We know Rittich wants to be a starter and I don't see it likely that he would resign in Calgary next year, if I were him I'd be looking for somewhere with a few more question marks in net, not a team that just signed a #1 for 6 years.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He ain’t scoring 15 from the 4th line. Maybe if he’s included on the pp, but speed isn’t really a powerplay asset.

If a guy with his wheels ever learned defence he’d be a very useful player. The fact he hasn’t gotten that by now is a red flag for other aspects of the game.

He might be able to take advantage of the slower players in the lesser lines and the worse defensive pairings. I totally agree about the red flags and holes though- I wouldn't want to touch him without someone very responsible to babysit him (Ryan.)

That said, I agree with your other post too. Trading Ryan could end up being a huge fail on our part if Bennett becomes regular season Bennett again. Im not sure Tre is willing to get burned by that possibility.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Rinaldo is a little underrated here.

No he's terrible. He gets completely outplayed every shift, takes long shifts and makes poor decisions.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Wow, after reading over the last few pages, i have to say, some of the posts in here are insanely out of touch. I get people aren’t happy with Gaudreau’s playoff performances. But really? Critiquing him on how predictable he has become or how teams have figured him out as if he’s peaked or something?

Yeah no. Since his arrival to this league, only 8 players have out scored him (points) which is a testament to his consistency and durability. Secondly, an even more impressive feat is what he does at even strength where he sits top 5 in points. The players ahead of him? Kane, Kucherov, Crosby and McDavid. That’s it. Johnny Gaudreau is a helluva player and this fanbase continually takes him for granted for whatever reason.

Yes, he is not without his faults, but he was also taken 104th overall, so yes, he has flaws. He’s not some generational #1 pick here. So I don’t understand the constant expectation of perfection from him while others are scathe free in comparison. What he does, still helps this team make the playoffs which is not a guarantee with this franchise at all.

I can only imagine the wrath and despair that would follow if the Flames missed the playoffs next season because they couldn’t score. Unfortunately for Treliving, he doesn’t get do-overs or mulligans, so he can’t be wrong on this. Now with Taylor Hall heading to Buffalo, I don’t see a suitable replacement that’ll actually improve this team.

So in my opinion, he should stay put. A lot of people here might not think he’s anything special, but he’s a rare talent whose production is up there with some of the league’s very best. So give the man a bit of break instead of tearing apart his game or his lifestyle bit by bit.

He has been less effective since the all star break last year.
Since then he had a summer to re-group, and then the break between the season pause and the start of the bubble.
And largely we've seen the same thing. A perimeter player who is producing less than he did before.
The sample size is getting larger. So we can continue to wait for his rebound to happen - but we should also ask what if it doesn't.
Sure you can look back at his production since he came into the league, but his production has tailed off for an extended period of time, and those stats match the eye test.
Yes I think he's peaked. Which frankly isn't unusual. A lot of players peak before his current age. Or they don't continue to progress.

Nothing wrong with admitting that and then evaluating what you do then short-term and long-term.

[BigErnSalute_16]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

He has been less effective since the all star break last year.
Since then he had a summer to re-group, and then the break between the season pause and the start of the bubble.
And largely we've seen the same thing. A perimeter player who is producing less than he did before.
The sample size is getting larger. So we can continue to wait for his rebound to happen - but we should also ask what if it doesn't.
Sure you can look back at his production since he came into the league, but his production has tailed off for an extended period of time, and those stats match the eye test.
Yes I think he's peaked. Which frankly isn't unusual. A lot of players peak before his current age. Or they don't continue to progress.

Nothing wrong with admitting that and then evaluating what you do then short-term and long-term.

If I remember correctly he was on quite the tear in the month or so before the season shut down playing at or above a ppg for those 3-4 weeks

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

No he's terrible. He gets completely outplayed every shift, takes long shifts and makes poor decisions.

Long shifts I’ve seen. Haven’t seen the poor decisions or being outplayed. I like his speed, mainly. But I’m so not fussed about 4th line players. If Gawdin or other farmhands can take over or a better PTO can, great.

[sureLoss]

Warning Francis article

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...-season-moves/

“We’re not done,” insisted Flames GM Brad Treliving, who avoided arbitration by inking Andrew Mangiapane to a two-year extension at $2.425 AAV Friday.

“We don’t expect this is the team we’ll go to training camp with.”

After all, the trademark of this team might just be how tight-knit a group it is.

Treliving saw it up close in the Edmonton bubble, and the players echoed that in their exit meetings and subsequent media interviews.

They want another chance together.

Sure looks like they’re going to get it.

“You always try to be patient with the team and I do like the core of our group,” said Treliving.

“It has progressed. We have taken steps. But if I can do something to make our team better I’ll act on it. We haven’t made a deal because we haven’t found one that’s made us better yet. But at the same time it doesn’t necessarily mean we’re done. It’s a hard question to answer. I think it’s a very close-knit group, but I’m not going to sit here and not make a deal because they’re tight-knit.”

The priority now is adding depth on the right side of their blue line and a fourth-liner or two who can kill penalties.

“Role guys are important people,” said Treliving, whose club said goodbye to penalty killing specialists Tobias Rieder (Buffalo) and Mark Jankowski (Pittsburgh) last week.

“We’re going to look to add character individuals to play hard roles like PK.”

[FanIn80]

I don’t know if he’s peaked, but what I do know is that, unlike college, he’s playing against fully-grown, adult men. He’s regularly giving up 40-60lbs and 8-12” of reach against the people checking him. It’s also a league that will literally do anything to win and continue earning a living. These aren’t college boys who are thinking about the after-game kegger.

Johnny’s a -really- small guy, and he’s taken a lot of punishment over his first few years in the NHL. It’s really no surprise he’s turned into a perimeter player.

I’ve often said I’d love to see Johnny and Chucky on the same line. I think Tkachuk would just demolish anyone who took a run at Johnny.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Warning Francis article

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...-season-moves/

Cool, just make sure they can put the odd puck in the net too.

Aka don't forget about offense.

[dammage79]

Theres a month until the rumored start of training camp. I expect arbitration will pass and then a trade frenzy starts.

[Monahammer]

RHS, Big, Character, and PK ability. That is what Treliving said we are looking for.

Scorpion, you may have been right about Soderberg.