[Trade] Elias Lindholm + Noah Hanifin to Flames for D. Hamilton, Micheal Ferland, & Adam Fox - Page 164 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Hells Bells · 11-30-2018, 01:44 PM

Hamilton looking like a player in a video game when the controller is unplugged or left unattended.

Phagoof · 12-01-2018, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Why is that unfortunate? About damn time the Flames were on the right side of a fleecing, if you ask me!

Becoming known as a GM who fleeces other GM's isn't good. Tre is becoming that, at least in bigger trades.

getbak · 12-01-2018, 08:32 AM

Fox had another 3 point game last night. He has yet to be held pointless in a game this season (and only has two 1-point games). He now has 20 points (5G/15A) in 9 games played.

His 2.22 points per game average leads the entire NCAA by a wide margin (second place has 1.69 P/G).

Only one player has averaged 2 points per game over the course of a full season in the NCAA in the last 20 years (you might have heard of him, he wore #13 for Boston College a few years ago).

In the last 40 years, only one defenceman has averaged 2 points per game over a full season in the NCAA (Wayne Gagné at Western Michigan in 1986-87).

Obviously, there's still a lot of hockey to be played this season, but if he can keep up this pace, you'd have to think he'll be getting Hobey Baker consideration, and it's hard to imagine him going back for his senior year.

Bingo · 12-01-2018, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Phagoof

Becoming known as a GM who fleeces other GM's isn't good. Tre is becoming that, at least in bigger trades.

Well its better than the alternative. Ask an Oiler fan!

heep223 · 12-01-2018, 09:02 AM

This trade could have been Dougie and Ferland for Lindholm and it would have been pretty fair. He’s been that good. I had no idea that I’d love his game so much.

I thought Neal was going to be the guy that would fit well with Gaudreau and Monahan, boy was I wrong.

Phagoof · 12-01-2018, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by heep223

This trade could have been Dougie and Ferland for Lindholm and it would have been pretty fair. He’s been that good. I had no idea that I’d love his game so much.

I thought Neal was going to be the guy that would fit well with Gaudreau and Monahan, boy was I wrong.

Yep, the guy was not picked 5th overall for nothing

Shazam · 12-01-2018, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Phagoof

Becoming known as a GM who fleeces other GM's isn't good. Tre is becoming that, at least in bigger trades.

Carolina had no intention of resigning Lindholm and Hanifin. Getting Ferland reduces their cap obligation for next year if they so choose. Hamilton is already on a nice cost-controlled contract, one that their GM would not be capable of negotiating. For Carolina the trade was mostly about cost control.

bubbsy · 12-01-2018, 09:24 AM

Fox is continuing to grow into quite the prospect & asset. Now, given the ages of our d (hanifan, Andersson, Valimaki, kylington) i don't think fox is necessarily a huge loss, but he's probably equivalent to a 1st round pick as far as trade value.

Curious to see what Carolina does with him. Especially, given the flight risk.

Moneyhands23 · 12-01-2018, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbsy

Fox is continuing to grow into quite the prospect & asset. Now, given the ages of our d (hanifan, Andersson, Valimaki, kylington) i don't think fox is necessarily a huge loss, but he's probably equivalent to a 1st round pick as far as trade value.

Curious to see what Carolina does with him. Especially, given the flight risk.

If he is set on 1 team to play for Carolina may have a high octane prospect that has little trade value.

Huntingwhale · 12-01-2018, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Phagoof

Becoming known as a GM who fleeces other GM's isn't good. Tre is becoming that, at least in bigger trades.

Winning trades...sucks?

It takes 2 GMs to make a trade. The other guy also has to sign off on it.

Plett25 · 12-01-2018, 10:01 AM

If Fox pans out and he turns into a top 4 or top pairing defenseman, maybe we eventually "lose" this trade.

But I'm ok with losing a trade like this. We gave up an asset from a position of organizational strength and finally acquired a RW for the top line. We currently have 4 NHL ready 22 year old (or younger) D-men on our NHL roster. We don't have room for another, we don't really have room for all 4 of them.

It's not like we traded Hall for Larsson.

Hackey · 12-01-2018, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

If he is set on 1 team to play for Carolina may have a high octane prospect that has little trade value.

Exactly. The player has no value if he wont sign. Will be interesting to see what he decides to do.

oldschoolcalgary · 12-01-2018, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Shazam

Carolina had no intention of resigning Lindholm and Hanifin. Getting Ferland reduces their cap obligation for next year if they so choose. Hamilton is already on a nice cost-controlled contract, one that their GM would not be capable of negotiating. For Carolina the trade was mostly about cost control.

you mean Lindholm and Hanifin were going to be traded regardless? Not sure why... based on their play here they seem like great players... not to mention Skinner lighting it up after escaping Carolina...seems like the team was part of the issue

I'm happy Calgary was able to take advantage... major upgrade

Fox is the only variable preventing this from being lopsided trade win imo

Shazam · 12-01-2018, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

you mean Lindholm and Hanifin were going to be traded regardless? Not sure why... based on their play here they seem like great players... not to mention Skinner lighting it up after escaping Carolina...

Yup. They have a cap number and that's what they want to stay around.

The Cobra · 12-01-2018, 10:09 AM

Posters focus way too much on winning or losing trades.

Calgary is a better team for this trade, that's all that matters.

Fox had made it known to Calgary he was not signing with them. He had little value in a trade.

LWcrowfoot · 12-01-2018, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Shazam

Carolina had no intention of resigning Lindholm and Hanifinl.

Don't think that's true. There were rumours about Hanifan being shipped for a while, due to the increase from ELC to 2nd contact. Similar rumours talked about Staal and Skinner being shipped out due to cost as well.

Lindholm is a different story. While rumours (Pierre Lebrun) suggest the Flames and Hurricanes had been talking trades for weeks leading up to the deal, the Canes had been trying to negotiate with Elias. It was only after those deals fell apart that the trade happened.

Obviously the trade is about cost control you don't move out two young key pieces easily. However they would've preferred to keep both and with Lindholm rumours suggest they went deep into negotiations.

Strange Brew · 12-01-2018, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

Posters focus way too much on winning or losing trades.

Calgary is a better team for this trade, that's all that matters.

Fox had made it known to Calgary he was not signing with them. He had little value in a trade.

I really agree with the first part. Treliving hasn’t fleeced anyone and one need look no further than the Hamonic trade. But the Carolina trade was a creative stroke of great work that looks to be great for the team.

I do take exception with your Fox assessment. Way too much emphasis put on Treliving’s post trade comments which need to be taken with a huge grain of salt. The player himself refuted any idea he told Calgary he would never sign and I think he had very good trade value and is even higher now.

LWcrowfoot · 12-01-2018, 10:23 AM

Moving Fox last summer was the correct move. However just because he's viewed as not a player we can sign doesn't mean he had no trade value or should be considered - by fans or Treliving - as a throw in.

Fox isn't a sure thing, few prospects are, but he has value and a true wild card in this deal.

Zulu29 · 12-01-2018, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I really agree with the first part. Treliving hasn’t fleeced anyone and one need look no further than the Hamonic trade. But the Carolina trade was a creative stroke of great work that looks to be great for the team.

I do take exception with your Fox assessment. Way too much emphasis put on Treliving’s post trade comments which need to be taken with a huge grain of salt. The player himself refuted any idea he told Calgary he would never sign and I think he had very good trade value and is even higher now.

Disagree. What else was he gonna say publicly? I’m only gonna play for so and so or else I won’t sign? That’d be a major red flag for any team and he’s making it infinitely harder on himself to make the NHL. Behind closed doors he and his agent might try and dictate where he wants to go. No, I trust Tre tried to sign him and he balked.

LWcrowfoot · 12-01-2018, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Treliving hasn’t fleeced anyone and one need look no further than the Hamonic trade. .

This is a little confusing. Treliving has never "fleeced" any trade because of single trade? Doesn't make sense. You do indeed need to look beyond one trade to get the full scope. And I'm a poster that doesn't buy into the whole Wizard thing.