Exactly. The skits are an angry butthurt reaction to the election results it makes the entire show look stupid not to mention the actors.
Not at all, satire is a powerful tool in a liberal democracy and should be protected as viciously as any constitutional right (right to free speech). Anyone who feels gunpowder is needed to protect freedom and doesn't mind restrictions on free speech needs to grab a book IMHO.
The comedians are reacting to a buffoon acting like a buffoon, and if you think they are sour grapes you really aren't assessing Trumps capabilities and actions very well at all.
The man is a mess and in way over his head...he is going to step on some big landmines soon and not have the ability to deal with the situation without resorting to fascist tactics...I just hope the US institutions are strong enough to deal with his antics.
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Looks like the conflict in North Dakota over the Dakota Access Pipeline is over for now thankfully, the Army Corps of Engineers said they're going to do an environmental impact study to find a different route. Couldn't come too soon, things were looking to get even worse there.
Today, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers announced that it will not be granting the easement to cross Lake Oahe for the proposed Dakota Access Pipeline. Instead, the Corps will be undertaking an environmental impact statement to look at possible alternative routes.
Is that your liberal bias showing, or are you just happy to see me?
Just because he's incapable and unwilling to do the job doesn't mean you or the media can say so out loud. And yes, ranting on twitter like a wronged teenager is foolish and unbefitting of a man in his position, but I can totally see you are a LIBERAL for mentioning it.
Thank you for noticing comrade. Can you please pass the borscht?
Isn't it strange how far right things have gone? It's like you need to remind people that when you are standing with two feet in the Pacific Ocean that everything else in the continental United States is east of you. Same thing goes politically. When you have moved so far to the right, everything appears to be left of your position.
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Not at all, satire is a powerful tool in a liberal democracy and should be protected as viciously as any constitutional right (right to free speech).
No one is trying to take away free speech or expression, unless we are talking about many colleges and universities. I'd like to know why you think you know who should be mocked and lampooned and who should not. That's the exact opposite of the desired effect we need. In fact if SNL and Hollywood in general (not to mention 90% of the press) had taken a balanced approach to Bernie, Hillary and Trump the election very well might have turned out very different. But instead Trump was relentlessly attacked Hillary was treated like a saint in comparison. Hillary was THE chosen candidate, there was no way she could lose. This permeated nearly every form of media sans a few voices in the wilderness.
This alienated many voters because human nature says people don't like to be told they are horrible people if they don't like Hillary Clinton. People don't like to be told they are racist scum because they agree with Trump's "America first" speeches. The very media you are defending to this day are a big reason Trump won. But for some reason you want the likes of SNL to continue on, why? What made it even more counter productive is because Hillary was thought to be the winner by default people stayed home! I'd say the media in this election directly influenced the results more than any other only the opposite of intended.
Also, somehow it has been forgotten that the job of the media is to report the news not shape it. And if you believe entertainment should be a form of news and a way to inform people, then they should not be blatantly advocating.
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No one is trying to take away free speech or expression, unless we are talking about many colleges and universities. I'd like to know why you think you know who should be mocked and lampooned and who should not. That's the exact opposite of the desired effect we need. In fact if SNL and Hollywood in general (not to mention 90% of the press) had taken a balanced approach to Bernie, Hillary and Trump the election very well might have turned out very different. But instead Trump was relentlessly attacked Hillary was treated like a saint in comparison. Hillary was THE chosen candidate, there was no way she could lose. This permeated nearly every form of media sans a few voices in the wilderness.
This alienated many voters because human nature says people don't like to be told they are horrible people if they don't like Hillary Clinton. People don't like to be told they are racist scum because they agree with Trump's "America first" speeches. The very media you are defending to this day are a big reason Trump won. But for some reason you want the likes of SNL to continue on, why? What made it even more counter productive is because Hillary was thought to be the winner by default people stayed home! I'd say the media in this election directly influenced the results more than any other only the opposite of intended.
Also, somehow it has been forgotten that the job of the media is to report the news not shape it. And if you believe entertainment should be a form of news and a way to inform people, then they should not be blatantly advocating.
This.
As I said during the campaign, this was very dangerous. It's one thing to be addressed by experts or scholars who make the case. Actors and comedians mocking middle America? Bottom of the barrel stuff.
Again I use the Alberta example similar to unemployment. We here in Alberta are the equivalent of the workers in Ohio and Michigan. Let's say Deepak Oberai becomes the new Conservative leader and Jason Kenny is the next Premier of Alberta. Then the CBC, 22 Minutes, Rick Mercer, Beaverton etcc... bombarde us with how stupid we are and Trudeau is god. It would get annoying very fast and we Albertans would rise up.
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No one is trying to take away free speech or expression, unless we are talking about many colleges and universities.
Proof please. The opposite is true. If anyone is trying to curtail free speech on campuses it is the likes of David Horowoitz and College Republicans. His Academic Bill of Rights is just the opposite, and his publication of The 101 Most Dangerous Academics in America is clearly aimed at silencing discussion, not fostering it. Since when is challenging your students to look at all sides of an issue a dangerous thing?
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But instead Trump was relentlessly attacked Hillary was treated like a saint in comparison.
Relentlessly attacked? Yes, because Trump had to go through so many congressional hearings and investigations spearheaded by the Republicans with no purpose other than to smear him! Poor Donald. Clinton had it so easy! I mean, the number of times she was caught lying in her stump speeches and the number of times she melted down on Twitter, it is amazing she wasn't forced to drop out. Not to mention that tape where she admitted to grabbing guys by their dicks and forcing them into kissing her. And then when she refused to release her tax returns? Man, she really got off easy.
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Hillary was THE chosen candidate, there was no way she could lose. This permeated nearly every form of media sans a few voices in the wilderness.
And when you say the wilderness you're talking about these types?
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Also, somehow it has been forgotten that the job of the media is to report the news not shape it.
Ewwwww, something I agree with you about!
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And if you believe entertainment should be a form of news and a way to inform people, then they should not be blatantly advocating.
Too bad the Supreme Court said just that. You can blame the state of our media on those clowns, and Ronald Reagan.
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Is the comedy world seriously supposed to spend 4 years* ignoring Trump's likely breathtaking stupidity? I would suggest if you're a Trump lover, supporter, sympathizer or related, you might wanna invest in learning guitar or something to ignore the mockery coming against Trump the next four years. And no, it won't matter. Bush was endlessly mocked and when the GOP lost the White House they got decimated in doing so. If John Kerry weren't such a dud candidate Bush would have been one and done. So thinking it's going to matter ignores the likelihood the intense mockery will coincide with an unpopular President.
*impeachment dependent
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The comedy world just seems more smug about it these days. Or there are just too many shows that it's saturated and annoying.
As flylock shox said above, the comedians used to make fun in jest. Now there's an agenda.
Jon Stewart was amazing and skewered the media and mostly the right like no other.
Problem is once he rose to the top every aspiring comedian and every comedy show in America, not to mention every unfunny blogger and arm chair political analyst and left leaning citizen tried to emulate him, and the result was an overbearing, smug liberal comedic left that quite frankly shares some blame in Donald Trump becoming president.
Nothing is stopping comedians on the right from being funny, except for being funny. Dennis Miller is the only one I can think of.
by definition it is difficult to be conservative and funny. Comedians are the rebels who buck the textbook definition of being conservative.
For example, Trump doesn't pay taxes. Comedians can make fun of that. oooooh the bogeyman, talks hot air and doesn't pay taxes.
Hillary has suspect emails. OK. There's nothing left to say.
Dennis Miller, Tim Allen, Drew Carry, Jeff Foxworthy are Republican comedians. But there's really nothing to be funny about.
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Republicans have Jeff Foxworthy and Larry the Cable Guy and Bill Engvall. They just happen to deal in stupid humour instead of more political humour. So maybe it's an audience thing, right wingers prefer "You might be a redneck" humour as opposed to lefties who like a little more current events blended into their humour.
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why? fueling the fire isn't the worse thing. It may make the Liberals look worse.
To me it's crazy how comedy shows have chosen a side. In the past Johnny Carson would impersonate Ronald Reagan or Dana Carvey would impersonate Geroge Bush Sr and it would all be in good fun. Now it's with vicious intent.
It's not comedy shows that have chosen a side. Generally every other industrial nation on earth is laughing at America for picking Trump. They aren't all liberal left wingers, they just realize an absolute buffoon when they see one.
This is not a typical election or presidency. It's pointless to compare it to previous elections or presidents. For the first time in modern US history you have a man with literally zero political or military experience running the largest political and military machine on the planet, who is reacting to being elected by ignoring his daily informational briefs, calling world leaders without even speaking to the State Department, refusing to break ties with his international business ventures despite the ridiculous amount of conflict of interest they create, and then distracting from all of these Real Issues by whining about a Broadway musical and SNL. This is not typical. And people at large, comedians included, are reacting to this.
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But instead Trump was relentlessly attacked Hillary was treated like a saint in comparison. Hillary was THE chosen candidate, there was no way she could lose. This permeated nearly every form of media sans a few voices in the wilderness.
Did you actually observe media during this election? On comedy shows Hillary was treated exactly as she is--as a woman who is fiercely ambitious (probably to a fault), who is awkward in her attempts to appear "relateable," but otherwise capable.
Outside of Hollywood, however, on news shows Hillary was raked over the coals, just as she's always been. Her speeches, her emails, her husband's foundation--they were blown up into gigantic problems, meanwhile Trump had far bigger issues, from refusing to release his tax returns to claims of sexual assault to blatantly lying his way through the entire election, but all of those were glossed over because he was good for ratings.
The media absolutely did not favor Clinton, not even close.
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This.
As I said during the campaign, this was very dangerous. It's one thing to be addressed by experts or scholars who make the case. Actors and comedians mocking middle America? Bottom of the barrel stuff.
But when those same people repeatedly vote against their own best interests, when those same people refuse to listen to logic, facts, science--what is the alternative? When people flat out refuse facts in favor of "feelings," how are you supposed to attempt to change their minds? When discussion doesn't work, when presenting proven information doesn't work, what's the alternative?
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by definition it is difficult to be conservative and funny. Comedians are the rebels who buck the textbook definition of being conservative.
For example, Trump doesn't pay taxes. Comedians can make fun of that. oooooh the bogeyman, talks hot air and doesn't pay taxes.
Hillary has suspect emails. OK. There's nothing left to say.
Dennis Miller, Tim Allen, Drew Carry, Jeff Foxworthy are Republican comedians. But there's really nothing to be funny about.
Trump invites comedians to mock him. It would be like Oilers fans whining that people make fun of their team when they've been at the bottom of the league for a decade. Of course people are going to make fun of them, they have plenty of material.
Trump was elected as President of the US and outside of his initial speech when he won, he has in no way, shape or form acted Presidential. He is acting like a petulant, spoiled teenager with a chip on his shoulder. If he was doing typical President-Elect duties--meeting with the State Department, sitting in on daily briefings, planning out his cabinet (and not filling it with exactly the "establishment" type he railed against as the crux of his campaign), cutting ties with his businesses that create conflict of interest--there wouldn't be very much to make fun of. Instead, he's giving them abundant material.
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Bill Clinton was regularly skewered by comedians during the whole Monika Lewisky thing, and rightfully so.
Bush Jr., Sarah Palin and now Trump are being mocked because their personalities and mannerisms make it so easy. Not to mentioned their abhorrent policies.
There is a reason why guys like McCain, Obama and Bush Sr. were treated nicer.
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