you don't actually think Yang would have a better chance of winning do you? I never get this argument.
"my candidate who polled way worse against Trump and didn't get enough votes in the primary would have somehow had a better chance in the election."
Preferring a guy be president is one thing but there is ZERO evidence there was a better realistic candidate Vs. Trump
Winning what? Winning the primaries? Or winning against Trump?
Like Sanders, Yang never had a chance of winning the primaries because both of them are not Democrat insiders. Isn't that concerning, considering both are better candidates? Biden is not as strong of a candidate as either when you actually focus on the issues, but Biden has insider status and therefore he gets the pick.
At the end of the day I still feel that a strong candidate would have easily won. Obama won twice. And to me he was as strong candidate. Good speaker, strong on issues, good debater, etc, etc. It didn't matter if you disagreed with his politics, you knew he was a good candidate.
I have to imagine people who actually care more about what the media floats on a daily basis are pretty concerned with what the result will be in November.
Trump is all about cheating if they don't catch you. Also being in line clogs up the line. The less votes, the better it is for Republicans.
When Trump first started mouthing off about mail-in voting the first thing I thought of was he's going to find a way to cheat this way himself, his reverse psychology reared its ugly head last week when Ratcliffe suspended congressional briefings on election foreign threats, you have to know Russia is printing thousands of ballots as we speak.
Trump may end up with Putin like popular vote numbers.
While Sanders is a good candidate, what makes you think he was better than Biden?
For me, I would never vote Sanders (or Trump for that matter), but would definitely vote Biden. I'm only one vote, but I'm sure there's others out there that are similar.
I think Biden is much stronger on the issues than Sanders is - at least far more grounded in reality.
I guess I really disagree with the assertion that the only reason Biden won the primaries is that he is a Democrat insider. Biden just being a better candidate is also a valid reason.
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While Sanders is a good candidate, what makes you think he was better than Biden?
For me, I would never vote Sanders (or Trump for that matter), but would definitely vote Biden. I'm only one vote, but I'm sure there's others out there that are similar.
I think Biden is much stronger on the issues than Sanders is - at least far more grounded in reality.
I guess I really disagree with the assertion that the only reason Biden won the primaries is that he is a Democrat insider. Biden just being a better candidate is also a valid reason.
To me the biggest reason Sanders & Yang were better candidates were because of their track record on some of the more important issues facing the world right now.
Sanders is way more left-wing, Yang perhaps more center left, but they are strong candidates with an emphasis on the issues. Something that they've had for many years.
Biden is a 50 year DC insider. Needless to say that every single person in DC that has been there that long has played a part in the country being where it is at, so to me he is not a good candidate.
Is it a federal or state felony? Is Trump making a *wink* *wink* promise to blanket pardon anybody caught trying to vote twice? Seems like something he would try to do.
While Sanders is a good candidate, what makes you think he was better than Biden?
For me, I would never vote Sanders (or Trump for that matter), but would definitely vote Biden. I'm only one vote, but I'm sure there's others out there that are similar.
I think Biden is much stronger on the issues than Sanders is - at least far more grounded in reality.
I guess I really disagree with the assertion that the only reason Biden won the primaries is that he is a Democrat insider. Biden just being a better candidate is also a valid reason.
Socialism is still a scary word for a lot of Americans. Yang, with his UBI platform, and Sanders being the furthest left candidate, would have set Trump up for a victory in a country that leans to the right.
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Socialism is still a scary word for a lot of Americans. Yang, with his UBI platform, and Sanders being the furthest left candidate, would have set Trump up for a victory in a country that leans to the right.
You're probably not wrong. Sanders never got the votes he was looking for in the primaries. Not sure if that means that he simply never had the support, or if his supporters simply never showed up to vote.
Voter suppression is a big issue in the US, but lack of voting and involvement is as well, especially among minorities and low income communities.
Sanders and Yang were both trending in those areas, but they simply couldn't get the votes.
Remember all the talk about Sanders raising so much money from $5 donations? High amounts of single low donation support. And yet it never translated into anything.
To me the biggest reason Sanders & Yang were better candidates were because of their track record on some of the more important issues facing the world right now.
Do tell, do tell!!! What are these policy differences that makes either better than Biden? What are these policy differences that would drive Americans to vote either Sanders or Yang, and that would be deemed acceptable by the vast majority of Americans?
I think you're dead wrong, that neither candidate was any good, because they were not appealing to the majority of Americans. Sanders is a socialist. Just lost 55-60% of the electorate.
"But the term ''socialist'' makes American voters squeamish, the poll found. More voters were willing to vote for a Muslim (66%) or an atheist (60%). And ''socialist'' was the only category of candidate for which the percentage of voters willing to cast a vote for such a contender actually went down from the previous survey, in June 2015."
"A January Gallup poll found less than half of Americans, 45 percent, said they would vote for a socialist for president, even if they were well qualified and from their own political party. Being a socialist was the least acceptable of 12 traits measured in the poll — 60 percent said they would vote for an atheist, 69 percent for someone who is over age 70, and 93 percent for a woman."
Yang didn't even carry the Asian vote, but he was going to get the whole party to coalesce around him? Come on.
Trump saying Tom vote by mail then in person is 100% voting twice.
The thing is, there is no mechanism to determine if you voted by mail on election day. Ballots in most states aren't even touched until day of, or after the polls close. That means if you vote by mail the poll clerks wouldn't know.
Then the question is, does your mail in ballot count? It shouldn't. There should be a process to catch that. However, if the mail in ballots are counted simultaneously then there wouldn't be. It also means that even if your mail in ballot isn't counted that you did indeed vote twice, which is illegal.
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The part that worries me about the "better candidate" rhetoric is for both parties there is a vote to pick the candidate, it's months long and state by state. Majority wins. How can you say being an insider mattered when the process works like that. Also during that process Sanders led the betting odds till the votes started coming in. Reality points to the fact Biden and his message just appeal to more people.
Trump saying Tom vote by mail then in person is 100% voting twice.
The thing is, there is no mechanism to determine if you voted by mail on election day. Ballots in most states aren't even touched until day of, or after the polls close. That means if you vote by mail the poll clerks wouldn't know.
Then the question is, does your mail in ballot count? It shouldn't. There should be a process to catch that. However, if the mail in ballots are counted simultaneously then there wouldn't be. It also means that even if your mail in ballot isn't counted that you did indeed vote twice, which is illegal.
So, I am not sure how its done in the States but don’t you just get a card in the mail that you use to either vote by mail / advance polling or take with you on voting day.
Reality points to the fact Biden and his message just appeal to more people.
Well, no, he is the former Vice President. Name recognition alone has him beating almost all the other candidates. And once they dropped out and endorsed him after Bernie won the first few primaries, and the majority of their supporters flocked to him, it was pretty much a done deal.
I do think it's clearly right that within the Democratic party, the Biden/Obama "wing" isn't so much a wing as it is the core of the party. Sanders's supporters make up a significant minority, but it's still a clear minority.
Being the best candidate to win the democratic primary, of course, doesn't mean you're the best candidate to win the general election. First of all, a relatively small, politically savvy subsection of the population votes in those primaries. The majority of the country isn't paying all that much attention in the early stages. Second, the people you're trying to get to vote for you are all democrats, and it helps to be a party insider in that regard. It's not unlike the leadership conventions up here - Erin O'Toole couldn't win the CPC leadership without making the kinds of noises that CPC party insiders like to hear about being a "true blue conservative". Now that he's got it, he'll pivot back towards the center. In fact, that process started the moment he got the job.
Azure does miss one thing, though, and that's that while Biden is clearly an establishment figure, he has a strong base of support among working class people, which, as a populist, is also one of Sanders' key strengths. He doesn't come across as fake or practiced, people tend to find him genuine. He also has a lot of appeal among black voters, particularly in the eastern part of the country, which is how he murdered Sanders in South Carolina, the first "big delegate" state and the last primary before Super Tuesday. So even if you believe that Sanders and Yang would have been good "general election" candidates (and I certainly see the rationale for that), you should be admitting that Biden is a pretty good one too, for many of the same reasons as Sanders in particular.
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So, I am not sure how its done in the States but don’t you just get a card in the mail that you use to either vote by mail / advance polling or take with you on voting day.
In all honesty I don't know for sure about the States, but in Canada there isn't a card you need to vote. There is a voter's card, states your voting location and poll but it isn't required to vote.
Given that ID isn't required, I would imagine you would just need to be registered to vote.
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In all honesty I don't know for sure about the States, but in Canada there isn't a card you need to vote. There is a voter's card, states your voting location and poll but it isn't required to vote.
Given that ID isn't required, I would imagine you would just need to be registered to vote.
I guess then the time delay between collecting mail-in-ballots / advanced polls and printing out the list of remaining eligible registered voters is enough that there shouldn’t be any overlap.
Do tell, do tell!!! What are these policy differences that makes either better than Biden? What are these policy differences that would drive Americans to vote either Sanders or Yang, and that would be deemed acceptable by the vast majority of Americans?
I think you're dead wrong, that neither candidate was any good, because they were not appealing to the majority of Americans. Sanders is a socialist. Just lost 55-60% of the electorate.
"But the term ''socialist'' makes American voters squeamish, the poll found. More voters were willing to vote for a Muslim (66%) or an atheist (60%). And ''socialist'' was the only category of candidate for which the percentage of voters willing to cast a vote for such a contender actually went down from the previous survey, in June 2015."
"A January Gallup poll found less than half of Americans, 45 percent, said they would vote for a socialist for president, even if they were well qualified and from their own political party. Being a socialist was the least acceptable of 12 traits measured in the poll — 60 percent said they would vote for an atheist, 69 percent for someone who is over age 70, and 93 percent for a woman."
Yang didn't even carry the Asian vote, but he was going to get the whole party to coalesce around him? Come on.
"Morning Consult found Yang at 19 percent among them, behind only Biden (24 percent) and Sanders (22 percent)."
The majority of democratic voters preferred Biden over Yang in the primaries, that is true.
However, in a hypothetical Yang vs Trump matchup, Yang would perform way better than you think he would. During the primaries, Yang was actually a stronger favourite against Trump than Biden was, according to most betting odds. His appeal to disaffected voters in swing states comes from the fact that his Freedom Dividend would have helped ease the pain of those who lost their jobs to automation in recent years.
Who says Yang wouldn't have brought the party together? Centrist democrats would look at the two choices and, even if they didn't like Yang's proposals, the choice to vote out Trump would be an easy one. Meanwhile, Yang would be stealing a chunk of Republican voters away from Trump, because he offers them something that Biden doesn't.
Trump saying Tom vote by mail then in person is 100% voting twice.
The thing is, there is no mechanism to determine if you voted by mail on election day. Ballots in most states aren't even touched until day of, or after the polls close. That means if you vote by mail the poll clerks wouldn't know.
Then the question is, does your mail in ballot count? It shouldn't. There should be a process to catch that. However, if the mail in ballots are counted simultaneously then there wouldn't be. It also means that even if your mail in ballot isn't counted that you did indeed vote twice, which is illegal.
If a voter has applied for an absentee ballot they will be required to vote with a provisional ballot which allows them to check if a voter has voted twice.
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The majority of democratic voters preferred Biden over Yang in the primaries, that is true.
However, in a hypothetical Yang vs Trump matchup, Yang would perform way better than you think he would. During the primaries, Yang was actually a stronger favourite against Trump than Biden was, according to most betting odds. His appeal to disaffected voters in swing states comes from the fact that his Freedom Dividend would have helped ease the pain of those who lost their jobs to automation in recent years.
Who says Yang wouldn't have brought the party together? Centrist democrats would look at the two choices and, even if they didn't like Yang's proposals, the choice to vote out Trump would be an easy one. Meanwhile, Yang would be stealing a chunk of Republican voters away from Trump, because he offers them something that Biden doesn't.
So Yang is better because of betting odds? People didn’t vote for him, that’s your first tell,2nd is you think he’d pull Republicans off Trump? Have you met Trump voters? Their going nowhere,never mind voting for an Asian.
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