I still really liked Man of Steel and Batman V Superman (the extended/directors cut is awesome).
Birds of Prey - watched it once, 0 reason to return.
Suicide Squad - watched it once, 0 reason to return.
Wonder Woman - bland summer blockbuster, enjoyed it but no reason to return.
Wonder Woman 84 - absolutely awful. The worst of the worst.
Justice League - Tough for me to hate on this with what happened to Snyder’s family. I understand why he left the project, but hiring Joss Whedon was an absolutely moronic move.
AquaMan - ridiculous, but enjoyable.
WB as a studio has handled this all poorly.
I’m diving into the Snyder Cut of JL today.
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I still haven't seen Birds of Prey, WW2 or the Joker. I fell asleep during Wonder Woman 1, which was the first time I've ever fallen asleep during a comic book movie. Even the original Daredevil with Ben Affleck kept me awake. I woke up when she was fighting that guy who ended up being Ares and I was like, was that supposed to be a big reveal?
Suicide Squad I suffered through, I liked Harley Quinn and I am a fan of Will Smith, not everyone is but I always like his movies even though he basically just plays himself. BvS I enjoyed parts of, but even the hardest DC fanboism inside of me couldn't say it was 'good'. Man of Steel I thoroughly enjoyed though. Aquaman was hot garbage.
I'd say that the Snyder cut is my favourite of all those DC movies.
But I have to wonder what the plan is.. like can we just scrap this and start over. It is all just one big hot mess right now.
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I still haven't seen Birds of Prey, WW2 or the Joker. I fell asleep during Wonder Woman 1, which was the first time I've ever fallen asleep during a comic book movie. Even the original Daredevil with Ben Affleck kept me awake. I woke up when she was fighting that guy who ended up being Ares and I was like, was that supposed to be a big reveal?
Suicide Squad I suffered through, I liked Harley Quinn and I am a fan of Will Smith, not everyone is but I always like his movies even though he basically just plays himself. BvS I enjoyed parts of, but even the hardest DC fanboism inside of me couldn't say it was 'good'. Man of Steel I thoroughly enjoyed though. Aquaman was hot garbage.
I'd say that the Snyder cut is my favourite of all those DC movies.
But I have to wonder what the plan is.. like can we just scrap this and start over. It is all just one big hot mess right now.
I believe Flashpoint is going to act as a pretty hard reboot for the DCEU. I’m excited what they’re going to do.
I want Henry Cavill to remain Superman though. He’s perfect for it. I also thought Affleck was a fantastic casting - but the way Justice League’s theatrical release went down, it’s tough.
I believe Flashpoint is going to act as a pretty hard reboot for the DCEU. I’m excited what they’re going to do.
I want Henry Cavill to remain Superman though. He’s perfect for it. I also thought Affleck was a fantastic casting - but the way Justice League’s theatrical release went down, it’s tough.
If they could do Flashpoint properly it will be pretty epic, definitely one of my favourite arcs of all time.
I don't like Affleck as Batman, to many times there has been shock and awe on his face, he's using guns, I get that it is supposed to be a more hardened version after 20 years of crime fighting. But I don't care, you're sticking him next to junior Flash/Superman/Aquaman etc.. it just doesn't work.
I look forward to Pattison's take on it, he has the brooding loner down pact. We might actually finally see a proper Bruce Wayne for the first time since Micheal Keaton.
Bah here I am getting sucked back into this swirling toilet bowl. DC just can't get it right, not like that shining example of Disney.. I'm going back to watch the new Star Wars movies and just forget that anything can ruin classic franchises for you.. oh wait.
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If they could do Flashpoint properly it will be pretty epic, definitely one of my favourite arcs of all time.
I don't like Affleck as Batman, to many times there has been shock and awe on his face, he's using guns, I get that it is supposed to be a more hardened version after 20 years of crime fighting. But I don't care, you're sticking him next to junior Flash/Superman/Aquaman etc.. it just doesn't work.
I look forward to Pattison's take on it, he has the brooding loner down pact. We might actually finally see a proper Bruce Wayne for the first time since Micheal Keaton.
Bah here I am getting sucked back into this swirling toilet bowl. DC just can't get it right, not like that shining example of Disney.. I'm going back to watch the new Star Wars movies and just forget that anything can ruin classic franchises for you.. oh wait.
Because they've done so well with all of the rest of their excellent source material.
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Since this movie is a huge success, I fully expect DCEU to split into 2. Snyder can finish his 5 film arc on HBO max and Flash solo will reboot what's going on with the theatrical releases. Excited to see Keaton back in the cowl
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Since this movie is a huge success, I fully expect DCEU to split into 2. Snyder can finish his 5 film arc on HBO max and Flash solo will reboot what's going on with the theatrical releases. Excited to see Keaton back in the cowl
That's not happening. He's even said he won't be doing more DC movies because they're not interested. Also, this cost $70 million and all the footage was shot on another budget. They're not going to authorize a $200+ million movie just for HBO Max.
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Wow the MCU really have some of y'all convinced there is only one way to make a superhero film huh.
When you put out a dumpster fire you're still left with a dumpster. Millions of ways to make a comic book movie but hack zack hasn't found a way. Fox made the Xmen, Deadpool and Logan,all different movies. Deadpool and wolverine are totally different but both great!
Whatever this version justice league this was, was a joke. I literally laughed out loud at the start "to preserve zack snyder vision". He's sooo terrible and such a hack director.
When you put out a dumpster fire you're still left with a dumpster. Millions of ways to make a comic book movie but hack zack hasn't found a way. Fox made the Xmen, Deadpool and Logan,all different movies. Deadpool and wolverine are totally different but both great!
Whatever this version justice league this was, was a joke. I literally laughed out loud at the start "to preserve zack snyder vision". He's sooo terrible and such a hack director.
I didn't know Joss Whedon had a CP account
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Its weird, I just wasn't a huge fan of the Joker, maybe it was the type or whatever, but I guess it wasn't for me. I did like Shazam, and I did like the first wonder woman.
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Yeah, I thought I'd love the Joker but I found it boring as hell.
You probably would have liked it in it's original form, The King of Comedy.
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Ok, it took three days and I kept notes on what looked like pertinent changes so I wouldn't lose track between viewings. Here are my takeaways :
Snyder is not a good motion picture director. He is an excellent music video director and decent at putting together a fight/action sequence. A complete movie of 'epic' visuals makes none of them epic, because they come across as a plateau.
Joe Morton and Jeremy Irons are the tits.
The ending makes sense now!
Steppenwolf, and the villains as a whole are much better represented. By making them have some depth and motivation, the heroic journey actually has some gravity. This is really basic stuff.
The CGI is soooo horrible. And it's everywhere.
The writing on anything Cyborg related is really cringy. It's what a junior high kid would think of as deep and touching.
This could use 'The Snyder Edit' and bring it down to 3 and a half hours. Pretty bloated. If the slo-mo was regular speed, this could probably be fixed. The only guy who should be slo-mo is Flash.
Here are my notes. It's mostly nonsensical on a re-read, but a couple are funny, and good reminders.
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PREAMBLE
That's not how sound works.
Maybe it's his Kryptonian essence being released or something.
Superman just killed Zod. Did that frickazee the mother boxes, too?
Was Luthor in that pool for the entire life of Doomsday?
Do they just stand there all day looking at the mother box for centuries at a time?
People live in that village, he probably didn't need to ride a yak there.
PART ONE
Oh, there was a storm, so he rode the yak.
Storms over now, he could have waited and a chopper would have matched yak riding time.
He just told everyone in that village Batman is Bruce Wayne.
Weird singing and smelling shirts moment.
Can hardly wait for a bunch of dudes to sing to Wonder Woman and then sniff her clothing.
Wonder Woman opening much more interesting tone.
Note for future reference : WW now has super speed to rival Superman,
and can turn bad guys into jello people if she throws them. I assume they are all dead now.
and can straight up fly.
She could have just jelloed that guy instead of blowing up the building!
Steppenwolf's mouth does not form words well.
If two Amazon's can hold the door, I'm sure Steppenwolf will have no problem. Not well thought out.
Wait, was the building falling into the ocean part of the plan?
These are bad CGI horses. Couldn't they afford horses?
This fight defies physics. I defy you, Physics!
The Amazons had. one. job.
PART TWO
Setting up the Russian location and giving Steppenwolf a motivation! Well done.
More Joe Morton is good. Oh, he's gone.
One gutsy janitor. Oh, he's dead.
Amazon's are good at warnings!
Joe Morton is the most useful part of the movie so far.
Is that a sketch of Batman? Or Parademon Batman? What?
WW gives us some background info on why we should care. Darkseid!
Aquaman context. Interesting.
Steppenwolf meets with DeSaad, making him one of a group.
Invokes Lanterns, Kryptonians and Darkseid, as well as Steppenwolf's betrayal.
Depth! Good.
Very long CGI ancient exposition. Looks horrible, but essential info.
Darkseid instead of Steppenwolf, good choice. He has not learned speech. Grunts ahoy.
Lanterns! Oh, he's dead.
PART THREE
Barry "Woody" Allen
That truck driver went a solid city block under the dash hunting for a fallen sandwich.
A little inappropriate wiener in the pocket moment while fondling the crash victim.
They didn't even really try with the cyborg CGI. Wait, the football game is CGI! Why?
I'm guessing that the truck driver from the Flash scene hit Cyborg's mom's car.
Still looking for the sandwich under the seat.
I'm wondering where they found the four year old to write the Cyborg origin story.
Man, Cyborg is a brat. Does he not know of the power of Joe Morton?
Batman meets Flash is still one of the best scenes.
Pretty sure Alfred is the coolest guy in the DCU, by a mile.
Getting a little overloaded with Mercedes product placement.
Atlaneans are worse at protecting mother boxes than Amazons.
PART FOUR
Fight scene.
Raising the stakes, Darkseid wants the anti-life equation on Earth.
Steppenwolf, you flunky, get to work.
After school special on steroids melodrama time.
I guess this is the chapter that made me look up who wrote this :
Some dude named Chris Terrio, who wrote BvS and Rise of the Skywalker.
Also Argo, which makes me think that was actually Affleck being modest
What a weird way to introduce Manhunter.
Should I disregard that previous touching scene now?
If you didn't know who MM was, that scene would be very confusing.
Establishing the motherboxes fear of Krytonians is kind of important. Don't remember that in old one.
PART FIVE
Not sure why they are letting Joe Morton go, when he is wanted by interstellar bug demons.
The superheroes seem to be getting in the way of legitimate JLA leader, Joe Morton.
He allows it.
Krytonian ship is interesting. I wonder if we will get a Russell Crowe appearance...
Nope, back to Lois Lane sleeping and possible Manhunter as a general appliance in the room somewhere.
They don't question why he is not in rigor and is in pretty good shape.
"The future has taken route in the present" is always true, not a revelation.
Joe Morton has the mother box again. The world is safe.
Cyclops grows baby arms to punch Superman. That's adorable.
Alfred's magic arm bands (tm).
Having Lois already there makes much more sense than the 'secret weapon' idea.
She's taking the resurrection pretty well.
While the JLA fights Superman, Joe Morton must defend against the melting of planet Earth into goo.
Joe Morton uses the mother box to frickazee himself!
I find it unlikely that the mighty Joe Morton is really dead.
PART SIX
Touching moment, but I'm really wondering where the hell Martha Kent is right now.
Steppenwolf fixed a nuclear radiation problem. Hurray?
When Supes kissed Lois, all I could think of was, "He's been dead for weeks".
Mouthwash, at least.
Martha's back! Or, is she?
The Amazons, Atlanteans and the mighty Alfred are all informed of the creation of Unity.
Russell Crowe + Kevin Costner + Black Suit. Hurray!
Established Synderverse fact : Batmobile is excellent at killing.
Fight sequence is less goofy than Whedon.
Alfred and Superman meeting!
Superman isn't the savior, but a cog in the machine. Smartest thing about this movie.
Aquaman and Wonder Woman don't play.
Where was that with Max Lord?
DeSaad says mother boxes destroyed. But there are just seperated. Dumb DeSaad.
These people pose a lot.
EPILOGUE
Well, you made me look up who Ryan Choi is. The third Atom, I guess.
First epilogue : Heroes. Good, good. Let's end it here...
Second epilogue : Villains. You already introduced Darkseid, anything else is a letdown.
Third epilogue : Never once has a dystopian vision come true in the DCU.
Fourth epilogue : Manhunter again. Whatever. I give less ####s than Bruce.
Everybody on earth knows that Bruce is Batman.
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Loved your notes, I'm halfway through chapter 2 and ready to call it a night.
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The CGI in this just looks plain bad. I get this is an edit, but it could use a lot of cleanup. I thought that the big fight in Chapter 1 looked like a video game that reviewers would poop over.
Sooooo much slow motion, like way over the top slow motion. When Aquaman returned to the sea after saving the fisherman and slowly stripped off his shirt and dropped it, I was waiting that creepy girl to jump in and grab it and start sniffing it again. No wonder the town is poor they keep having to probably buy him new shirts.
I did like the explanation and ancient battle. Was disappointing that the green lantern was just lamely shooting lasers, they really could have done more in that.
So far has it been better? Sure but that's a low bar. It just so far feels like a fan edit with second rate CGI, though the background explanation of the mother boxes is better.
Started watching Chapter 3, so much more slow motion, like I groaned at the slow mo of the seed falling off of the bun, Come on ZS I get its like your signature thing but I think they could have shaved an hour off of this movie.
Oh and still hate Barry Allen/The Flash. And what's with the slow mo hot dogs floating around when he saves her? It felt like an SNL add on.
Enough for one night.
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Great Break down Harry Lime I think you pretty much nailed every chapter.
I had nothing to do today so I just finished watching Joss's Justice League followed by the 4-hour marathon that is ZS Justice League.
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So right off I can say the new version is better than the old version (I know, I know, a very low bar). I wouldn't say it's a completely different movie, but it is a little better if you don't mind the 4 hours.
The first 3 hours of the ZS version are pretty much identical to the first 3/4 of the old movie. Just with extra backstories, pointless side-stories, and unnecessary slo-mo as has been pointed out. Character development was better, but of course, you're going to get more character development and a few extra pieces that add to the story when you stretch it out into a 4-hour movie. This was always an issue with the first movie, trying to cram all these new characters together without having their own movies first. A few scenes have their order changed but nothing that really separated it from the story of the original.
They removed a couple of Joss's goofy scenes. The Flash awkwardly falling onto WW's chest (which for some reason Joss thinks is hilarious as he did the exact same thing in Avengers Age of Ultron with Bruce and Black Widow). And took out all the stuff with the random family living beside Chernobyl.
The whole movie has a darker tone, which I liked better.
The big differences to me between the 2 movies besides length were;
1) the inclusion of Darkseid. I have no idea why it wasn't this way in the original, anybody who knows the story knows he's the real big bad, not to mention the fact that Lex Luthur mentions Darkseid in the BvS movie, and it wouldn't have added much run time or confused average moviegoers to include him.
2)better CGI. Steppenwolf and the parademons looked much better, less cartoony. Bad guys bleed and it looks better when they are taking a trident to the chest, not just some green ooze when it was convenient for the story like the first movie. The final fight scene looked much, much better than the original.
3)the final fight was changed for the better. In the original, it always felt too easy. Superman comes in and saves the day in the original. This was more of a team finally working together, sure Superman is a big part of it but everyone had a part to play. Barry isn't just sidelined the whole time saving 'Random Russian Family number 3'.
But all that doesn't fix what I find to be the biggest problem with JL. The team never has an internal conflict to overcome.
Here is a fantastic breakdown of why Avengers works and JL doesn't.
Avengers has a great internal conflict and even has them battle each other before they can come together as a team. JL equivalent of that is Bruce saying they should resurrect Superman, WW saying I don't think that's a good idea, then they go ahead and resurrect Superman.
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What is up with Aqua man constantly taking off his shirt (that is already soaking wet!) before jumping into the ocean? That little village must be covered in random shirts that have been dramatically cast aside each time Aquaman returns to the sea.
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this bothered me too. Does Aquaman have the power to make boots, cable-knit sweaters, and fur-lined jackets just appear every time he shows up on land? There must be a lot of stylishly dressed villagers in that town wearing his cast offs.
JL is in "so bad it's good" territory, but falls short because it's 4 ####ing hours long and boring as hell. It is funny though.
Some of the funniest parts of just the first hour (or two? or three, what a horrific blur):
- Constant, pointless slow motion, including like the first entire 5 minutes in slow motion LOL
- "Show them your fear!" says queen wonder woman lady "We have no fear! Yaaaaaaa!" says others wonder womans? LOL
- Weird Finnish girls creepy singing while fishman goes for a dip in the lake (LOL)
- Wonder Woman walking like a ####ing crab while she blocks bullets instead of just grabbing the shooters gun? LOL
- Wonder Woman blasting out the entire wall of a building TO KILL ONE SINGLE HUMAN PERSON LOLLLLLLL
- A classic "I HATE MY DAD" cyborg storyline? Nice, LOL
- Aquaman standing on the dock looking SERIOUS while a VERY COOL ACOUSTIC song plays because THIS IS SERIOUS I THINK? looooooool
I'm sorry, I'll stop. I started watching this at midnight and just hate watched the rest after the first 30 minutes was unbearable. I'm sure someone likes it, good to have different opinions, but I will literally listen to nothing anyone who likes this has to say about movies (From mindless action movie to some piece of french new wave cinema) ever. What a load.
you forgot to mention the scene where WW tells a little girl she can be anything she wants to be when asked if she can be like her someday.
lol, sorry, no. Unless you are also 1/2 god, 1/2 ancient immortal race of amazon warriors.
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