Flames to announce plans to announce arena plans in the... future...

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

No kidding. Any time teams move to a new stadium in a different area some fans will get the shaft while others will benefit.

I was exaggerating a bit too. It's not that hard to go thru downtown going east at game time. Nor would it be going west. And the LRT goes to both locations.

[Bunk]

Personally, I think the Railtown lands (10th Ave/ 4th SE) or the North end of Stampede Park near the casino along 12th Ave/ 4th SE) would be ideal.

Stampede Park has parking by virtue of being a fairground, it will also have the SELRT as well as a short walk to City Hall Station, which serves both the 201 and 202 LRT lines and would help disperse traffic following the game. At Sunalta, everyone would have to get on the same platform regardless of whatever line they're actually trying to go. Requires a transfer for many.

Remington Development owns Railtown, so it is private land. It also seems to make sense for stampede to have these facilities to help the goal to make the Park more of a year-round attraction, including a retail component. Retail at Stampede Park does not work without the anchor of an arena.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Am I the only person here who thinks this location would be awful? No matter what they do to Crow/Bow, it will be not much better to get to and from the arena, especially if you live in the east or down south.

Sure, it'll be pretty. You can admire it as you sit in traffic for an hour after each game.

If there are no other transportation improvements to the area, it would be awful. However, if they re-work the 14th Street and Bow Trail interchanges and have appropriate access points to and from the arena complex, it should probably be better than the Saddledome for most of the city.

The biggest problem will be the C-Train access to the site. It will have the same problem that McMahon currently has, where almost everyone taking public transit to the game will have to transfer onto a single train to go the couple of stops out of downtown to the arena. Hopefully, they'll figure out some way to make it so that people on the NW-South line won't need to all pile onto the West-NE line to go to the arena.

According to Google, walking from the Kerby C-Train station to the Greyhound station is just under 1km. That's with the current horrible pedestrian-unfriendly infrastructure in the area. With a little planning, that could be turned into a pleasant area to make that walk. Right now, I park about 1km from the Saddledome on game days, and it's not far to walk at all, even in the worst cold if you bundle up.

[shermanator]

Originally Posted by troutman

Entrepreneurs should start building pubs on 19th St NW, and further up on Kensington Road.

And Peace Bridge2 please.

Or on 10th ave SW near the Sunalta station (as a Sunalta resident, please please please!)

[Flash Walken]

Now, members of the Detroit City Council want to pass an ordinance that will hold developers seeking public money accountable: They'll have to work out a community benefits agreement (CBA) with community leaders. A CBA is a legally binding pact covering everything from local hiring requirements and environmental concerns to redevelopment of public space and infrastructure. It's a way to assuage the fears of current residents wary of displacement and change and ensure the public's money is put to good use. It would be the first law of its kind in the country.

"We are allowing these large corporations—companies that could build a hockey arena without our money—to get in the corporate welfare line and take resources away from us," Rashida Tlaib, a Michigan state representative who serves Detroit, told me. "In exchange for what?"

The hockey arena Tlaib mentioned is for the city's beloved Red Wings, owned by pizza baron Mike Ilitch. The Ilitch family, whose net worth is estimated at $3.2 billion thanks in part to their Little Caesars pizza empire, received $284.5 million in public money to build a new, $450 million arena in the city's Cass Corridor neighborhood. (They are desperately and vapidly rebranding it as the "arena and entertainment district.")

While the Ilitch family was finishing up its honeypot stadium welfare deal last year—not to mention a wildly below-market rate $1 land transfer for 39 vacant parcels—they refused to sign a CBA that would ensure a certain percentage of permanent, non-construction jobs at the arena went to Detroiters. A group of locals formed the Corridors Alliance in an attempt to engage with the Ilitches, but their efforts were futile. The Ilitches did, however, agree to a mayoral executive order that demanded 51 percent of construction jobs go to residents and 30 percent of construction contracts go to local businesses. (The mayoral order, like Marathon's hollow promise, is not legally binding.)

Los Angeles set the model in 2001 when the Staples Center signed a comprehensive CBA that provided $1 million for neighborhood park improvements, required HR to target residents displaced by the development for hiring, and invested in job training programs, among other concessions. In Pittsburgh, a CBA ensured jobs for the Consol Energy Center and a new hotel nearby went to locals and minority workers—and, as of 2011, 47 percent of the 522 new jobs went to minorities.

The proposed ordinance in Detroit would take what Los Angeles and Pittsburgh have done a step further. It would require developers to engage in a CBA. Under the most recent draft of the ordinance, any project totaling more than $15 million in investment (or $3 million in renovation or expansion) seeking at least $300,000 in public tax dollars—from tax abatements to land transfers—will have to enter into a community benefits agreement. Developments between $3 million and $15 million are encouraged, but not required, to execute a CBA. Developments funded entirely by private money are exempt.

http://deadspin.com/has-detroit-foun...-st-1684944648

[Brendone]

Is there a way to get some advanced stats in this thread along with the b!tching over tax dollars? Then it could be the most useless thread ever.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by shermanator

Or on 10th ave SW near the Sunalta station (as a Sunalta resident, please please please!)

Taxes are real high there. Mikey's is in trouble.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/01/18...for-the-future

[Muta]

Originally Posted by shermanator

Or on 10th ave SW near the Sunalta station (as a Sunalta resident, please please please!)

I actually think that 10th Street, specifically the west end, is going to be the next 'it' area. Lots of untapped potential for the development of a new social scene here.

[Weitz]

Hopefully not too close to the Sunalta station. I take the train to and from there every day and I just don't know how they can handle the masses for games. Unless they redesigned it.. even though its like 2 years old.

[johnnybegaudreau]

I know some ST holders will not be happy. But I believe the whole reason WV has been on the top of the list is A. It's prime real-estate. B. it's going to be a district where they want you to goto and stick around and spend money. Wrong or Right, you're going to be arriving early or staying later before going home, to avoid some of the traffic congestion and therefore have dinner, shop in the area, etc. I live near Bearspaw and getting to the dome is a nightmare for me. But like the Dome there are options to get around it.

For example, when they build the pedestrian bridge across the river (as I assume they will) you can park in Sunnyside and walk across the bridge. Park at the Sunnyside station and take a bus 3 stops and walk across the bridge.
Drive downtown park anywhere and jump on the LRT or catch a bus and walk.
I'm also sure that along 10th ave 11th, 12th etc. There will be parking lots that will pop up from property owners just like around the dome. You can walk a few blocks.

I assume however that part of the city involvement if any will be on infrastructure adjustment: 14th and bow trail realignment probably being key.

As for the Stamps Flames playing at the same time. If they have the buildings in the same area I assume they'll just submit their schedules better and it won't be a problem (they are not that stupid). At worst case scenario i can't see it happening more than 1x per year. Unless they do a arena/stadium combo facility in which case they'd have to accommodate the space schedule with the NHL and CFL regardless. If the Lions and Canucks can do it. We can too.
So really a non issue.

[Finger Cookin]

Park where at the Sunnyside station? There's no where to park. And no one would take the train to Sunnyside and then catch a bus West or just stroll over to the West Village area.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Muta

I actually think that 10th Street, specifically the west end, is going to be the next 'it' area. Lots of untapped potential for the development of a new social scene here.

10th ave?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Park where at the Sunnyside station? There's no where to park. And no one would take the train to Sunnyside and then catch a bus West or just stroll over to the West Village area.

I assume he means park in the neighbourhood.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by nik-

I assume he means park in the neighbourhood.

Because there's so much readily available non permitted street parking available in Sunnyside and Hillhurst.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Because there's so much readily available non permitted street parking available in Sunnyside and Hillhurst.

I wasn't suggesting it was a good idea.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muta

I actually think that 10th Street, specifically the west end, is going to be the next 'it' area. Lots of untapped potential for the development of a new social scene here.

10th ave?

Yes, 10th Ave.... my bad.



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[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by johnnybegaudreau

I know some ST holders will not be happy. But I believe the whole reason WV has been on the top of the list is A. It's prime real-estate. B. it's going to be a district where they want you to goto and stick around and spend money. Wrong or Right, you're going to be arriving early or staying later before going home, to avoid some of the traffic congestion and therefore have dinner, shop in the area, etc. I live near Bearspaw and getting to the dome is a nightmare for me. But like the Dome there are options to get around it.

For example, when they build the pedestrian bridge across the river (as I assume they will) you can park in Sunnyside and walk across the bridge. Park at the Sunnyside station and take a bus 3 stops and walk across the bridge.
Drive downtown park anywhere and jump on the LRT or catch a bus and walk.
I'm also sure that along 10th ave 11th, 12th etc. There will be parking lots that will pop up from property owners just like around the dome. You can walk a few blocks.

I assume however that part of the city involvement if any will be on infrastructure adjustment: 14th and bow trail realignment probably being key.

As for the Stamps Flames playing at the same time. If they have the buildings in the same area I assume they'll just submit their schedules better and it won't be a problem (they are not that stupid). At worst case scenario i can't see it happening more than 1x per year. Unless they do a arena/stadium combo facility in which case they'd have to accommodate the space schedule with the NHL and CFL regardless. If the Lions and Canucks can do it. We can too.
So really a non issue.

Please stop.

[Bigtime]

It's also damn near impossible for a land owner to put up a surface parking lot in the Beltline too. So the theory of a bunch of them opening up along 10th, 11th, and 12th avenues isn't going to happen.

[Schraderbrau]

I just saw on the news as many as 7 major concerts will bypass Calgary this year because the dome sucks. Have I mentioned lately how bad the saddle dome is? I hate that building.

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