2010 NFL Regular Season Thread

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

I believe they took to long.

Spygate II was probably the final straw for Bolen, but to me, giving up a 2, 3 and a 4 for a QB they need to re-teach how to throw is the 2nd worst personnel move in the history of football. (a 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 for Ricky Williams is the worst). You build championship teams with those 2's 3's and 4's, and he throws them away for a QB who by most accounts will not be a starting qb in this league. Giving up Hillis is a popular complaint in the media, and was a bad move, but those happen. Trading up for a bad QB is unforgivable.

He chased Cutler and Marshall away and really as far as talent goes, has very little of it and the next year or two looks worse.

I agree that Shanahan's time was up, and was overrated. The second his Oline coach moved to Atlanta his team gradually went downhill. I believe that coach and his (at that time) revolutionary blocking scheme was the reason TDavis had that cutback lane, and a huge reason they won two SB's. But nonetheless Josh was wrecking that team at a rapid pace and something needed to be done.

edit: well maybe trading for HWalker is in the top 2 worst personnel moves

i dont think those were bad moves though, the bad moves were getting very little in quality players from the bounty of draft picks they recieved. no question that Mcdaniels made some very poor personnel moves. what will become of Tebow, not that i care as i am tired of hearing his name..

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

i dont think those were bad moves though, the bad moves were getting very little in quality players from the bounty of draft picks they recieved. no question that Mcdaniels made some very poor personnel moves. what will become of Tebow, not that i care as i am tired of hearing his name..

I think Tebow will be fine if he works with the right coaches. Aaron Rodgers and Mike Vick are two guys who I can think of right away that had mechanic problems and have since been turned into really good quarterbacks. I'd honestly like to see what guys like Gruden, Reid, or Holmgren could do with Tebow.

[transplant99]

Great article on the Haynesworth debacle.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...120707586.html

[valo403]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I think Tebow will be fine if he works with the right coaches. Aaron Rodgers and Mike Vick are two guys who I can think of right away that had mechanic problems and have since been turned into really good quarterbacks. I'd honestly like to see what guys like Gruden, Reid, or Holmgren could do with Tebow.

Both of those guys were actually elite QB's though, despite their mechanical problems, at the college level. Rodgers played in a relatively traditional offense and had success, and Vick could throw the ball out of the stadium along with his world class speed. Tebow was great in the Florida offense, but he was rarely asked to make difficult throws downfield and his running prowess doesn't really translate to the NFL all that well. There's a lot more work to do with a guy like Tebow than there was with those two (in terms of arm issues at least). Fact is that most of the guys in the league don't want Tebow, not to say they aren't wrong, so the chips are definitely stacked against him.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by valo403

Both of those guys were actually elite QB's though, despite their mechanical problems, at the college level. Rodgers played in a relatively traditional offense and had success, and Vick could throw the ball out of the stadium along with his world class speed. Tebow was great in the Florida offense, but he was rarely asked to make difficult throws downfield and his running prowess doesn't really translate to the NFL all that well. There's a lot more work to do with a guy like Tebow than there was with those two (in terms of arm issues at least). Fact is that most of the guys in the league don't want Tebow, not to say they aren't wrong, so the chips are definitely stacked against him.

Rodgers played at an elite level in a system where many before him looked elite as well. Tedford is an amazing offensive mind that makes his QBs look amazing. Akili Smith and Ryan leaf just to name a couple had looked even more impressive than Rodgers coming out of college. I honestly didn't think Rodgers was going to do anything either based on Tedford's other qbs. He obviously proved me wrong (heck it might have something to do with the fact he sat on the sidelines a couple years behind one of the greats).

[FlamingLonghorn]

Now that I have had a day to recover from Monday Night... Here are my thoughts. Rex said he talked to Rob about gameplanning. Could have fooled me. Rob ran at the Pats with disguised 2 man fronts for good chunk of the game while every one else dropped back. It was very effective and should be copied by everyone who plays the Pats. Rex didn't do it once. Schottenheimer is not the great coordinator everyone believes him to be. He is way too conservative. I haven't bashed him all year but I haven't defended him either. Everyone in the media thinks he should be in line for a HC job (good luck to that team). His playcalling cost us the Ravens game and his decision to abandon the rushing game halfway through the first cost us any chance of coming back. Shonn Greene was beasting the Pats every time he touched the ball.

In other news, how hard of a decision was this you think? He had a shot at proving himself to the Jets and other teams and maybe earning a bonafied contract, but he chose guaranteed money over it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_yl...trainconductor

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by valo403

Both of those guys were actually elite QB's though, despite their mechanical problems, at the college level. Rodgers played in a relatively traditional offense and had success, and Vick could throw the ball out of the stadium along with his world class speed. Tebow was great in the Florida offense, but he was rarely asked to make difficult throws downfield and his running prowess doesn't really translate to the NFL all that well. There's a lot more work to do with a guy like Tebow than there was with those two (in terms of arm issues at least). Fact is that most of the guys in the league don't want Tebow, not to say they aren't wrong, so the chips are definitely stacked against him.

I agree with this.

As a Bronco fan, I wasn't a big fan of the pick. Mostly because there were more pressing needs that could've been addressed with the picks used to get Tebow.

Having said that, I have embraced him. It is my belief that if anyone is capable of overcoming the obstacles that he is facing, it is him. The intangibles that have been shoved down our throats for the last 4 years about this kid are not overstated. He has the desire and work ethic to make a good run at it.

I would have preferred he did that in Jacksonville, but I'll be rooting for him now.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I think Tebow will be fine if he works with the right coaches. Aaron Rodgers and Mike Vick are two guys who I can think of right away that had mechanic problems and have since been turned into really good quarterbacks. I'd honestly like to see what guys like Gruden, Reid, or Holmgren could do with Tebow.

I do too, this isn't the UF fan in me either. He has been doubted at every step. He then showed the world that he can do it. But I always found it funny that people crapped on him about his mechanics, yet he holds the Comp % record at UF and had a better College % than Bradford....

Gotta give it to the guy, He is a pure winner and doesn't accept losing. He has won over the locker room with his work ethic this year. The only issue with me is that he is a bronco...

[valo403]

Originally Posted by PIMking

I do too, this isn't the UF fan in me either. He has been doubted at every step. He then showed the world that he can do it. But I always found it funny that people crapped on him about his mechanics, yet he holds the Comp % record at UF and had a better College % than Bradford....

Gotta give it to the guy, He is a pure winner and doesn't accept losing. He has won over the locker room with his work ethic this year. The only issue with me is that he is a bronco...

Doubted at every step? At every step before the NFL he was touted as the best around.

And comparing completion % is pretty foolish when you're comparing guys who were asked to make completely different throws.

I don't hate Tebow, I just hate hearing about him all the time. That said, I do respect how hard he works and his compete level, I'm just not sure that will be enough to get it done at the next level.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Great article on the Haynesworth debacle.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...120707586.html

Sounds like he's got a lot of JaMarcus Russell in him. Got the big money and then didn't feel like putting in the work. There should be clauses in these professional athletes contracts that you can terminate them if the player refuses to work. I just don't understand how he should get that money for not putting in the effort and being a disruption.

What's really sad is that some team (please don't even think about it Al Davis!!) is going to sign or trade for him in the offseason.

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

I believe they took to long.

Spygate II was probably the final straw for Bolen, but to me, giving up a 2, 3 and a 4 for a QB they need to re-teach how to throw is the 2nd worst personnel move in the history of football. (a 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 for Ricky Williams is the worst). You build championship teams with those 2's 3's and 4's, and he throws them away for a QB who by most accounts will not be a starting qb in this league. Giving up Hillis is a popular complaint in the media, and was a bad move, but those happen. Trading up for a bad QB is unforgivable.

He chased Cutler and Marshall away and really as far as talent goes, has very little of it and the next year or two looks worse.

I agree that Shanahan's time was up, and was overrated. The second his Oline coach moved to Atlanta his team gradually went downhill. I believe that coach and his (at that time) revolutionary blocking scheme was the reason TDavis had that cutback lane, and a huge reason they won two SB's. But nonetheless Josh was wrecking that team at a rapid pace and something needed to be done.

edit: well maybe trading for HWalker is in the top 2 worst personnel moves

His only bad move was trading a 1st round pick for a 2nd round corner back who is no longer with the team.

Cutler is garbage and his true nature will show when he sits on the sideline durring a big game and cries.

I would have liked to have kept Marshall but he was trying to build something culture wise and Marshall just didnt fit. I dont see Marshall tearing it up Miami (mind you they dont have a QB but).

McDaniels has made the following QBs look very good - Matt Cassell and Kyle Orton, I think he could have made Tebow into a better QB than either of those.

This is a bad bad bad move.

[BigBrodieFan]

Well, sad day for Chiefs fans here in Kansas City. Matt Cassel had to get his appendix out today.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/s...medium=twitter

Sorry if this is already posted. I am a die hard Broncos fan, was at the game in KC last Sunday. Looked to me like McD threw the game to be honest, so glad he's gone. But, I do feel sorry for Chiefs fans as they are so close to making the playoffs.

[Montana Moe]

Chiefs are fine, he'll be back next week if not sooner.

[BigBrodieFan]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

His only bad move was trading a 1st round pick for a 2nd round corner back who is no longer with the team.

Cutler is garbage and his true nature will show when he sits on the sideline durring a big game and cries.

I would have liked to have kept Marshall but he was trying to build something culture wise and Marshall just didnt fit. I dont see Marshall tearing it up Miami (mind you they dont have a QB but).

McDaniels has made the following QBs look very good - Matt Cassell and Kyle Orton, I think he could have made Tebow into a better QB than either of those.

This is a bad bad bad move.

Cutler is a jerk, true, but he's got a great arm and with the right coach, he could be a Hall of Famer in my opinion. His attitude is just hickish.

As far as Cassell goes- he hasn't been that great. Orton has been consistent however, and is highly underrated. Maybe it's because Denver has no running game, but Orton has a hell of an arm. You're probably right, McD had some influence on him.

McD is just too young and immature. He acts like a 14 year old on the sidelines. Denver's BIGGEST mistake was letting Shanny go. That was the dumbest move football has seen in a long time. Let's just hope for Bill C next year.

go broncos

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by BigBrodieFan

Cutler is a jerk, true, but he's got a great arm and with the right coach, he could be a Hall of Famer in my opinion. His attitude is just hickish.

As far as Cassell goes- he hasn't been that great. Orton has been consistent however, and is highly underrated. Maybe it's because Denver has no running game, but Orton has a hell of an arm. You're probably right, McD had some influence on him.

McD is just too young and immature. He acts like a 14 year old on the sidelines. Denver's BIGGEST mistake was not letting Shanny go at least 3 years earlier. That was the dumbest move football has seen in a long time. Let's just hope for Bill C next year.

go broncos

Fixed that for ya

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by BigBrodieFan

Well, sad day for Chiefs fans here in Kansas City. Matt Cassel had to get his appendix out today.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/s...medium=twitter

Sorry if this is already posted. I am a die hard Broncos fan, was at the game in KC last Sunday. Looked to me like McD threw the game to be honest, so glad he's gone. But, I do feel sorry for Chiefs fans as they are so close to making the playoffs.

I don't know about that. I watched most of that game and if anyone was trying to throw the game it was Orton. He was awful.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by BigBrodieFan

Cutler is a jerk, true, but he's got a great arm and with the right coach, he could be a Hall of Famer in my opinion. His attitude is just hickish.

As far as Cassell goes- he hasn't been that great. Orton has been consistent however, and is highly underrated. Maybe it's because Denver has no running game, but Orton has a hell of an arm. You're probably right, McD had some influence on him.

McD is just too young and immature. He acts like a 14 year old on the sidelines. Denver's BIGGEST mistake was letting Shanny go. That was the dumbest move football has seen in a long time. Let's just hope for Bill C next year.

go broncos

What?

He has been terrific for them. 23 Td's (5th in the NFL) 4 INT's (best among starters of every game thus far along with Brady) and as important he isnt getting sacked a lot...thats good stuff.

he has a great running game to help him so he doesnt have to throw as much as others do, but he is doing what he is being asked very well.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

What?

He has been terrific for them. 23 Td's (5th in the NFL) 4 INT's (best among starters of every game thus far along with Brady) and as important he isnt getting sacked a lot...thats good stuff.

he has a great running game to help him so he doesnt have to throw as much as others do, but he is doing what he is being asked very well.

In his last 9 games he has like 22 TD's and 2 interceptions and a QB rating of 109 which is second in the NFL to you guessed it Tom Brady. His ability to find receivers for TD's in the Red zone has been a big part of why the Chiefs are one of the higher scoring offences in the NFL.

If he can't go this weekend it pretty much gives the Chiefs no chance against the Chargers.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't know about that. I watched most of that game and if anyone was trying to throw the game it was Orton. He was awful.

The funny thing is that him and Derek Anderson both had like 2 star ratings by the fans on nfl.com. 86 net yards passing in 32 passing plays by Orton that was a 1 star performance at best, and thats only because he didn't throw any interceptions.

Anderson was worse though, he's got to have the Cardinals on the verge of calling Jamarcus Russel.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I think Tebow will be fine if he works with the right coaches. Aaron Rodgers and Mike Vick are two guys who I can think of right away that had mechanic problems and have since been turned into really good quarterbacks. I'd honestly like to see what guys like Gruden, Reid, or Holmgren could do with Tebow.

Like Urban Meyer?