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[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

What are you talking about? What's your definition of "failed"?

They've successfully invaded every one of those places. They ruled Vietnam for years.

I would count their limited interest in exploration as a negative.

What about how they got totally clobbered by people from a small pacific island

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

What about how they got totally clobbered by people from a small pacific island

Like the US did?

Well, not an island, but you know.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Yeah no!



The Chinese economy is totally based around exports with the biggest chunk of which go to the US, An economic war would hurt the Americans short term but if China lost the US as a buyer for their goods their economy would go into a tailspin.



Also, remember which currency the world works on.

Which is why the global market would crash if China called it's debt.

I get your invigorated sense of US power, but my point is that the US is no position to mess with China. If it pushes hard enough, China is going to have no problem doing damage to itself to hurt the US.

Again, short term is 20 years of economic devastation. I wouldn't count on China not pulling the trigger just because it would hurt itself.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Like the US did?

Well, not an island, but you know.

The little people from the little island in the pacific invaded China and slaughtered them, tell me how well Vietnam would do invading the US?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GGG

I'm arguing their is a marginal link between the quality of faculty and the quality of education. I'm in general talking about 4 year degree programs accredited by industry and to some degree trade schools as well as opposed to the scam trump universities and other devry type degree farms.

What is this accredited by industry stuff? Your going to have to explain this won in greater depth. And when you talk about these scam universities, what exactly differentiates them from some of the lesser ranked schools?

The faculty at these institutions is not selected based on there ability too educate. Therefore you can't successfully make an argument that the success of these students is because of the quality of faculty. In many cases it is inspite of the quality of faculty. Based on my experience 50% of faculty at 4yr degree granting institutions would rather not teach.

Well, the faculty at DeVry sucks, and so do they're students. As a result, know one will higher a DeVry graduate for anything other then a low skill Help Desk job. Connection? Know. There lack of success is because their poor students with know potential.

Also, what exactly is your experience? How many institutions have you been threw and exactly what type of interaction did you have two come to this conclusion? You're claim seems specious too me.

What drives the quality of outcome is the quality of student and there ability to learn from semi-competent teachers.

Sorry, that's crap. A great student can work with a crappy instructor and 90% of the time see they're performance regress toward the mean. On the other side of the coin, a middling two poor student can work with a great instructor and 90% of the time over-achieve. A good instructor makes content interesting and challenging for all students, pushing them to new heights. A good instructor knows how two reach students who are struggling or have motivation issues. A poor instructor does neither and all students suffer.

I'm sorry you went to a ####ty school that was lacking quality faculty. I'm also sorry you didn't have any competition in the marketplace to compare against and discover the importance of that quality faculty. But the reality is that the role of faculty is crucial two the success of students and the institution as a hole. The increase in adjunct faculty is hurting not only student success, but institutions as well.

http://www.centerforpubliceducation....ch-review.html

"More than two decades of research findings are unequivocal about the connection between teacher quality and student learning."

http://www.rand.org/education/projec...rs-matter.html

"When it comes to student performance on reading and math tests, a teacher is estimated to have two to three times the impact of any other school factor, including services, facilities, and even leadership."

Study after study links quality instruction to student success.

https://www.nea.org/assets/docs/HE/e-Kezar.pdf

http://nsse.indiana.edu/pdf/research..._do_matter.pdf

https://www.oecd.org/edu/imhe/44058352.pdf

http://www.acenet.edu/news-room/Docu...t--Rhoades.pdf

http://www.chea.org/pdf/Examination_...culty_2013.pdf

http://www.chapman.edu/students/serv...arpel-1982.pdf

http://faculty.econ.ucdavis.edu/facu.../profqual2.pdf

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...ntro-professor

http://www.edweek.org/media/eperc_qu...hing_12.11.pdf

I could go on and on. But why bother? We have the best example in the hole world in how good faculty and administration (coaches and management) are crucial to the success of students (new hockey players). The best students in the game have gone two Oiler University, under the tutelage of some of the worst faculty in the game. How is student success working their? If it weren't for the idiot savant that fell into they're laps there success would still be measured in games out of the race before Christmas. Quality faculty matters, even when it comes two teaching kids how too play hockey.

Oh, and just for ####s and giggles, here's the list of the top 50 schools with the best faculty. Not to many surprises on this list. Best faculty = best schools.

http://www.bestcollegereviews.org/50...st-professors/

BTW, it is tough as hell to make all those grammar mistakes!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

The little people from the little island in the pacific invaded China and slaughtered them, tell me how well Vietnam would do invading the US?

I'm not denying what you're saying, but I'm curious to how that is any way relevant to your point based on where things stand today?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I'm not denying what you're saying, but I'm curious to how that is any way relevant to your point based on where things stand today?

Nothing, I didn't start the whole who won who lost thing.

But I do feel very confident in saying China couldn't beat the USA in any type of war (economic or military)

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Nothing, I didn't start the whole who won who lost thing.



But I do feel very confident in saying China couldn't beat the USA in any type of war (economic or military)

Of course not, but they have enough power to make any war with the US detrimental to them.

It's not quite the level of mutually assured destruction, but the US would be in a very very bad way for what could be a very long time. China would be worse, but that doesn't help the US.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Sure while the Europeans were exploring the world the Chinese couldnt even sail to Guam.

They tried to invade korea a bunch of times...failed. Tried to invade vietnam a bunch of times..failed. Tried to invade Tibet a bunch of times.. failed.

Well they did have the treasure fleets of the 1400's that made Columbus' ships look like rubber duckies...

When the Roman Empire collapsed Europe was a basket case and China had epic cities like Xian

I'm certainly no expert, but it seems to me that until the the 1600's Europe wasn't even close technologically, militarily, scientifically, etc etc. to China.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Nothing, I didn't start the whole who won who lost thing.

But I do feel very confident in saying China couldn't beat the USA in any type of war (economic or military)

I'd agree unless the US wanted to invade the mainland...China can't really project power very far. But the US didn't win in Korea or Vietnam (or the Philippines if you go wayyyyy back)

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

Well they did have the treasure fleets of the 1400's that made Columbus' ships look like rubber duckies...

When the Roman Empire collapsed Europe was a basket case and China had epic cities like Xian

I'm certainly no expert, but it seems to me that until the the 1600's Europe wasn't even close technologically, militarily, scientifically, etc etc. to China.

There were other civilizations that were awesome too. The Muslims were awesome between 900 and 1400 and fought the Chinese on the west border continuously. Baghdad was a tremendous city.

I think China is always under turmoil. I always treat Chinese middle age numbers of population and deaths in military battles as inflated. They had stuff but didn't use it. My favorite is that China invested gunpowder but not guns. Let's make firecrakers instead!

When you speak to most Chinese today they are not happy with the communist government and just treat it like another 'dynasty' that will fall in 50, 100, 200 years. The US is still the world's engine economically and militarily.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

I'm certainly no expert, but it seems to me that until the the 1600's Europe wasn't even close technologically, militarily, scientifically, etc etc. to China.

I'm not an expert on Chinese history or anything but I'm pretty sure they had a reasonably significant setback in the early 13th century...

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by New Era

Oh, and just for ####s and giggles, here's the list of the top 50 schools with the best faculty. Not to many surprises on this list. Best faculty = best schools.

Best researchers = best research schools. But what about teaching? It's a completely different skillset, and is frankly much more relevant to most students who are just there to get an undergraduate degree and a decent job. How do institutions measure the quality of instruction?

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm not an expert on Chinese history or anything but I'm pretty sure they had a reasonably significant setback in the early 13th century...

Who didn't? If the Mongols didn't have to withdraw to deal with the death of the Khan we might all be speaking Mongul...

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

There were other civilizations that were awesome too. The Muslims were awesome between 900 and 1400 and fought the Chinese on the west border continuously. Baghdad was a tremendous city.

I think China is always under turmoil. I always treat Chinese middle age numbers of population and deaths in military battles as inflated. They had stuff but didn't use it. My favorite is that China invested gunpowder but not guns. Let's make firecrakers instead!

When you speak to most Chinese today they are not happy with the communist government and just treat it like another 'dynasty' that will fall in 50, 100, 200 years. The US is still the world's engine economically and militarily.

I agree about the Persians, Bhagdad was an amazing city until they pissed off the Monguls..

You're right that the Communist Party will 'lose the mandate of heaven' at some point...although I wouldn't bet that the liberal democracy of the US will outlast it.

Regarding the Chinese technology...I remember reading that for all of their inventions they never figured out the mathematics behind the parabola...a strange blind spot. This book is a great summary of Joseph Needham's work (which is an amazing story)

[KootenayFlamesFan]

This friggin guy. Talk about sad........

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
Just tried watching Saturday Night Live - unwatchable! Totally biased, not funny and the Baldwin impersonation just can't get any worse. Sad

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

This friggin guy. Talk about sad........

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
Just tried watching Saturday Night Live - unwatchable! Totally biased, not funny and the Baldwin impersonation just can't get any worse. Sad

Haha, this whiny child is in for the worst 4 years of his life. The criticism and pressure of the job, and the constant ridicule from comedians is only gonna get worse for him after he's sworn in. The late night comedy shows are gonna have a field day with this idiot.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

This friggin guy. Talk about sad........

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
Just tried watching Saturday Night Live - unwatchable! Totally biased, not funny and the Baldwin impersonation just can't get any worse. Sad

Also...aside from the pettiness of arguing with a comedy show. Shouldn't he be, you know, getting ready to 'President'? Maybe reading a briefing on the next country/region that is going to call him up and try to take advantage of his naivete? He is going to get in over his head so fast...yikes

(Watch the Bloc Quebecois get him on the phone)

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Which is why the global market would crash if China called it's debt.

I get your invigorated sense of US power, but my point is that the US is no position to mess with China. If it pushes hard enough, China is going to have no problem doing damage to itself to hurt the US.

Again, short term is 20 years of economic devastation. I wouldn't count on China not pulling the trigger just because it would hurt itself.

How can China 'call it's debt'? Just curious. China has $1.19 Trillion in US T-Bills, Bonds, and notes. I'm not an expert in sovereign debt, but I don't believe that they can simply put the bonds to the US gov't at a moments notice. Even if they intended to liquidate all of their US holdings it would be very difficult. From the US government perspective there's an old saying: If I owe the bank $100 that's my problem, if I owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem!

Also this discussion ignores that fact that China itself is not a great example of great fiscal management, with ridiculous leverage scattered across their public sectors and shadow banking sector. It would be foolish to make the blanket assumption that China has a greater wherewithal to engage in economic warfare than the US.

[Thor]

I still give me head a shake when I see the words President Elect Trump. lol wtf