Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[devo22]

I actually have a really weird , optimistic feeling about this lottery today. One can always hope, right?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

Okay. For me, MacKinnon >>>> Drouin + 2nd rounder. The risk of trading down to 3 and losing the chance to draft Jones or MacKinnon is not worth the risk.

I don't disagree but I did say bluff

Also never said what Colorado offered. But let's say Colorado makes an offer that is tempting, that's when hopefully you get Florida.

Colorado offers, for example, their 1st and say the 15th that they acquired some how.

Drouin+15th>MacKinnon (and if you feel differently adjust the offer I guess)

Feaster calls Tallon and says give us your 2nd to draft 1st and pick Jones or else Colorado gets him. And of course that relies on Florida actually really wanting Jones also.

So sort of works out to be something like:
MacKinnon+32nd>Drouin+15th>MacKinnon

I guess all I'm saying is if Florida and Colorado both really want Jones the team to win the lottery should be able to pit them against each other here if they aren't set on Jones themselves.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Which roster player would they want though? Gio? Glencross?

They can have their pick other than Sven and Brodie, IMO. But I think in Feaster's opinion, Gio and Glencross are on that list too.

[bluck]

I feel good about this lottery as well... just some sinking feeling in my tummy telling me the god's are gonna smile down on us today.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I don't disagree but I did say bluff

Also never said what Colorado offered. But let's say Colorado makes an offer that is tempting, that's when hopefully you get Florida.

Colorado offers, for example, their 1st and say the 15th that they acquired some how.

Drouin+15th>MacKinnon (and if you feel differently adjust the offer I guess)

Feaster calls Tallon and says give us your 2nd to draft 1st and pick Jones or else Colorado gets him. And of course that relies on Florida actually really wanting Jones also.

So sort of works out to be something like:
MacKinnon+32nd>Drouin+15th>MacKinnon

I guess all I'm saying is if Florida and Colorado both really want Jones the team to win the lottery should be able to pit them against each other here if they aren't set on Jones themselves.

I think that gets too cute for me. A center position is an absolute must with the Flames' first rounder. The only exception I'd consider would be Jones... and I don't think he ranks above MacKinnon for me. I think, right now, I have MacKinnon>Jones>Barkov>Monohan>Lindholm>Drouin.

It's totally a result of being a center-starved Flames fan.

[indes]

We have to go with mackinnon imo

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by nik-

If we somehow won the lottery, we should just take MacKinnon. We don't need to risk trading down and having the other team have a change of heart.

Honestly the worst thing that would happen if the other team has an unlikely change of heart, is we get to draft the No 1 ranked player in the draft... which I'd be ok with.

[Enoch Root]

If we won, I would look to trade with Colorado for the 3rd pick

I would think that they would pay up big time

And as much as I want MacKinnon, Barkov ++ > MacKinnon

Plus, there is still a chance that Florida doesn't take MacKinnon at which point you have MacKinnon ++

[Walter Reed]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

I'd be cool with Feaster moving the 2 later picks for a pick as high as this one!!

Get both Lindholm and Monahan 😎

I think the Flames would have to add a little to the deal, though

MacT suggested he might be receptive to trading their pick to a team with multiple 1st round picks.

[FlickerFlame]

Something inside of me is convinced that we will win the lottery tonight. I just feel it in my gut. I can't explain it though. Guess I will belive it if it happens.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Yes. If Florida and Colorado both want Jones badly enough you could pit them against one another. At least bluff and say you're going to take Colorado's offer if Florida doesn't offer you a 2nd + their 1st to move up or whatever.

I think is is a plausible situation. If Florida really want Jones (rated the top prospect plus fills a need) they might make that trade to ensure they get him. You never know if on draft day Colorado goes all Ditka and offers all their picks so they can get Jones. Definitely only works if Colorado is genuinely interested (which I think they are) and Florida is paranoid enough to think Colorado may be crazy enough to overpay to get Jones.

If someone is going to overpay I think you need to listen.

[keenan87]

Trade 1:
To Flames:
Oilers 7th pick

To Oilers:
St. Louis 1st
Mark Giordano

Trade 2:
To Flames:
Tyler Myers

To Sabres:
Pittsburgh 1st Round
Alex Tanguay
Pat Seiloff

Trade 3:
To Jets:
Mike Cammalleri

To Flames:
2nd round pick

Trade 4:
To Blues:
2nd round pick
Curtis Glencross

To Flames:
Kevin Shattenkirk

Baertschi-Lindholm-Horton
Nikushkin-Backlund-Hudler
Stempniak-Stajan-Raymond
Bouma-Reinhart-McGrattan

Myers-Brodie
Shattenkirk-Wideman
Breen-Ference

Ramo
Macdonald

I like that team! (not sure if the other teams would make that deal)

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Walter Reed

MacT suggested he might be receptive to trading their pick to a team with multiple 1st round picks.

Columbus I think is the only team then. I can't imagine with the old school mentality that the Oilers would trade with Calgary. Especially because it impacts them directly and they would never want to be on a bad side of a potentially block buster trade. Trading a over the hill Staios for a late pick and srub is one thing. Trading away a top ten pick to a rival would never happen.

[Yoho]

So essentially Tyler Myers for a high second round pick?

No way the Flames and Oilers are trading partners

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Trade 1:
To Flames:
Oilers 7th pick

To Oilers:
St. Louis 1st
Mark Giordano

Trade 2:
To Flames:
Tyler Myers

To Sabres:
Pittsburgh 1st Round

Wouldnt like that oilers deal. Giordano + Pitt 1st for 7th would be the absolute max i would give up.

[PeteMoss]

We need to keep in mind that there are some rumblings that MacKinnon will end up being a winger in the NHL. It is possible the Flames see him as a winger long term.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

We need to keep in mind that there are some rumblings that MacKinnon will end up being a winger in the NHL. It is possible the Flames see him as a winger long term.

If that's the case, I don't want him. I want someone who the Flames see as a center long term. If he happens to switch to the wing due to the Flames acquiring better centers, fine, but I hope they don't go into the draft wanting to convert the pick to the wing right away.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If we won, I would look to trade with Colorado for the 3rd pick

I would think that they would pay up big time

And as much as I want MacKinnon, Barkov ++ > MacKinnon

Plus, there is still a chance that Florida doesn't take MacKinnon at which point you have MacKinnon ++

If we are drafting 3rd, and McKinnon and Jones are gone, I would go with the consensus 3rd pick and go with Drouin.

[nightfx]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

We need to keep in mind that there are some rumblings that MacKinnon will end up being a winger in the NHL. It is possible the Flames see him as a winger long term.

Flames badly need RW's too and i'd rather have a 90-100 pt RW than a 70-80 pt center

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

Wouldnt like that oilers deal. Giordano + Pitt 1st for 7th would be the absolute max i would give up.

Honestly, at that point in the draft, I am not sure there will be much of a difference as I see the Blues making a pretty deep run these playoffs.

However, I do think Giordano is a guy the Oilers would love to have and honestly, it seems like his head was just not in it this past season (still a very good dman however)