[Signing] Gaudreau to Columbus (7 x $9.75 million)

[PuckDemon]

Treliving did take a risk and lost, but I think it was a reasonable risk.

Gaudreau came very close to signing with us, his value was questionable before this season, the Flames had a great season and decent shot at the cup, and the trade return was probably never that great except at the trade deadline.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by PuckDemon

Treliving did take a risk and lost, but I think it was a reasonable risk.

Gaudreau came very close to signing with us, his value was questionable before this great season, the Flames had a great season and decent shot at the cup, and the trade return was probably never that great except at the trade deadline.

Literally no proof of this.
He's come out and said the exact opposite multiple times in the Columbus media.

"My wife and I decided after the season there's no way we would go back"
"We knew we wouldn't be coming back to Calgary"
"I wanted to be out east and closer to home"

Unfortunately you cant trust a thing the guy has said, he's lied to the entire franchise/fanbase.

[Roof-Daddy]

I have no problem with the gamble Treliving took on this Gaudreau situation after seeing the results on the ice.

Second highest point total in Flames history and dominant possession stats.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by 1Nite

Yeah that dumbass should have consulted the teams bunch of oracles, totally unforgivable.

“If she hasn’t looked at you by 11:30, she’s not gonna look at you at 2am.”

Treliving waited until 2am, and went home alone.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Literally no proof of this.
He's come out and said the exact opposite multiple times in the Columbus media.

"My wife and I decided after the season there's no way we would go back"
"We knew we wouldn't be coming back to Calgary"
"I wanted to be out east and closer to home"

Unfortunately you cant trust a thing the guy has said, he's lied to the entire franchise/fanbase.

lol what else is he supposed to say now?

"I was ready to re-sign in Calgary but my wife really didn't want to. I never actually wanted to come to come to Columbus"

He's not going to toss his wife under the bus like that.

[GioforPM]

The negotiation history says it was close, at least to the team, Gross and probably Gaudreau. Maybe he was always going to get vetoed, but the fact they were actually agreed on terms tells me it was close.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

lol what else is he supposed to say now?

"I was ready to re-sign in Calgary but my wife really didn't want to. I never actually wanted to come to come to Columbus"

He's not going to toss his wife under the bus like that.

I mean, you could just be honest and not string the team along until the 11th hour and then counter offer but when its met just leave anyway.

So yea, there are ways to be honest without "throwing his wife under the bus" even a simple "As a family we made the hard decision to play out east because ___ ___ ___ "

The guy lied, end of discussion.
You cant trust a SINGLE thing he's said or is saying now sadly.

It's really too bad.

[GranteedEV]

At the end of the day, Gaudreau was a UFA, and failing to sign a UFA is what it is. I do not blame Treliving for that.

I do blame Treliving for having only signed Gaudreau to a six year deal back when, because he was penny-pinching on his best player. Two more years of Gaudreau in his prime would have been a better window and his need to shave maybe 2M off the aav, which went to scrubs most years, was the bigger fault.

All I am concerned about at this point is the team direction on a whole. Lost an elite player - fine, it happens. Treadmill team for the next decade? Not fine. You need high-skill puck carriers at every position, and one may argue we have none at any outside of an aging Backlund (with only a question mark like a pre-shoulder injury Kylington flashing anywhere near the dynamicism you need from multiple players at multiple positions). And Backlund is a guy the fanbase never even gives credit to because we're well aware he doesn't have the level of skill that elite star players do.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I mean, you could just be honest and not string the team along until the 11th hour and then counter offer but when its met just leave anyway.

So yea, there are ways to be honest without "throwing his wife under the bus" even a simple "As a family we made the hard decision to play out east because ___ ___ ___ "

The guy lied, end of discussion.
You cant trust a SINGLE thing he's said or is saying now sadly.

It's really too bad.

No it's not the "end of discussion"

It's entirely possible he struggled with the decision and didn't string anyone along.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I mean, you could just be honest and not string the team along until the 11th hour and then counter offer but when its met just leave anyway.

So yea, there are ways to be honest without "throwing his wife under the bus" even a simple "As a family we made the hard decision to play out east because ___ ___ ___ "

The guy lied, end of discussion.
You cant trust a SINGLE thing he's said or is saying now sadly.

It's really too bad.

Literally no proof of this.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Even if you traded him before his NTC the market would have been soft based on his production the two years prior and COVID keeping the cap flat.

Best comparison for a return was Reinhart who fetched a late first and Devon Levi.

I think there is a case to be made that keeping Gaudreau was the right call. You still could have moved him at the deadline if the team wasn’t doing well, it gave you the opportunity to re-sign him still (even if it didn’t pan out), and you still had in the case that the team had a good year under Sutter.

How much is a single season of a player getting 40 goals and 115 points worth? I’m sure lots of GMs would pay a late first and prospect if they were acquiring a player for a single season of that production.

I find it hard to fault Treliving too much for keeping Johnny. He didn't have his Norris defenseman anymore, but he did finally have his star coach and he had his other star players on value contracts. He had a chance to go for it with what was possibly going to be the best chance that group would ever have, and he went for it. As the saying goes, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take, but at least he took his shot.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

At the end of the day, Gaudreau was a UFA, and failing to sign a UFA is what it is. I do not blame Treliving for that.

I do blame Treliving for having only signed Gaudreau to a six year deal back when, because he was penny-pinching on his best player. Two more years of Gaudreau in his prime would have been a better window and his need to shave maybe 2M off the aav, which went to scrubs most years, was the bigger fault.

All I am concerned about at this point is the team direction on a whole. Lost an elite player - fine, it happens. Treadmill team for the next decade? Not fine. You need high-skill puck carriers at every position, and one may argue we have none at any outside of an aging Backlund (with only a question mark like a pre-shoulder injury Kylington flashing anywhere near the dynamicism you need from multiple players at multiple positions). And Backlund is a guy the fanbase never even gives credit to because we're well aware he doesn't have the level of skill that elite star players do.

Can you point to any NCAA players signing 8 year deals after their ELC? I haven't looked, but 7-8 yrs was probably a non-starter as it takes him to UFA at age 30-31...he may have just suffered for hitting it at 29 instead of 27 or even 28.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Literally no proof of this.

But there is.

Multiple sources have confirmed that Johnny's team countered the Flames original offer of 9.75 x 8 and then the Flames accepted the counter the morning of.

All day of silence and then @ the 11th hour Johnny's team told them he'd be going UFA. This resulted in the phone call from ownership (Edwards) to Johnny.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Royle9

But there is.

Multiple sources have confirmed that Johnny's team countered the Flames original offer of 9.75 x 8 and then the Flames accepted the counter the morning of.

All day of silence and then @ the 11th hour Johnny's team told them he'd be going UFA. This resulted in the phone call from ownership (Edwards) to Johnny.

I’m not disputing this may have been the sequence of events but how did we find out the detail of Murray calling up JG and giving him an earful? Seems to have taken a life of its own on here. Again, not disputing it one way or another but where did the rumour originate from?

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

“If she hasn’t looked at you by 11:30, she’s not gonna look at you at 2am.”

Treliving waited until 2am, and went home alone.

Sure it sounds good in the context of a bar. But so many negotiations come down to the deadline. The lesson BT has to learn from here with unreliable players is to set an earlier artificial deadline. This can’t happen again.

[powderjunkie]

Can you cite? Or at least point me in the right direction to look?

We were trying to round up actual sourcing on this particular rumour the other night and it amounted to:
- unsubstantiated 3rd hand account from CP poster
- cryptic tweet from Lewis Gross


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[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Royle9

But there is.

Multiple sources have confirmed that Johnny's team countered the Flames original offer of 9.75 x 8 and then the Flames accepted the counter the morning of.

All day of silence and then @ the 11th hour Johnny's team told them he'd be going UFA. This resulted in the phone call from ownership (Edwards) to Johnny.

The above should have quoted you


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[Royle9]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Can you cite? Or at least point me in the right direction to look?

We were trying to round up actual sourcing on this particular rumour the other night and it amounted to:
- unsubstantiated 3rd hand account from CP poster
- cryptic tweet from Lewis Gross


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Maybe you're right, I think the origin did start here and it was from someone posting "inside" information.

But later didn't Friedman say something similar? I too will try to find it.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1547358757751078914

https://twitter.com/user/status/1547368378012028928

Originally Posted by AC

Steinberg and Pinder were suggesting earlier it sounded like Gaudreau's camp gave them a number it would take for Calgary to keep him, and the Flames eventually agreed to go that high, only for Johnny to decide he still wanted to go East.

If so, yeah I'd be pretty pissed too as they may not have been negotiating in good faith.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1547383690505904128

Johnny said it all his interviews thus far he wanted to be closer to home, yet turned down this NJ offer because? Again, one would assume he's lied about that now too.

Don't forget Jarmo said Johnny came to them and surprised them with wanting Columbus which is the curve ball in all of this.

[Vinny01]

Listen to the Flames talk podcasts from last week and Steinberg touched on a lot of stuff from the negotiating to thinking Johnny was super close to signing, to the Flames doubling back on Wednesday.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Nah he gambled and lost

His job was to manage risk and he failed

You don’t get a pass for getting nothing

The gamble was keeping a team together and going for it ... he had a career year and the team won the division and a playoff round. In Calgary history that's a good season.

So risk 1 averted

Other risk was losing him for nothing.

If the reports of the Flames matched his offer are true, then really they averted that risk too, but got left at the alter.

Not much you can do.

But if you don't like Treliving it's ammo for sure. He lost the player in the end. If you're neutral on the guy I don't think you're seeing it as his fault at all with the info trickling in about what went down.