[News] With the 21st overall pick Flames select C Mark Jankowski

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by red sky

The Chiasson trade?

That's right. I guess 1 year of an ok bottom six player is good value for a prospect who was near to busting

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I have thought of this as well ... the wait.

Does the wait have an impact on the value of a pick.

In one way yes because he will be a UFA at 27 or 7 years of service whichever comes first, so a prospect that makes it later technically has less value due to less team control.

However this isn't a top 5 or 10 pick it's a bottom third of the first round pick in a weak draft.

Given that then I'd rather wait longer for a guy that could be upper roster than have a shorter wait period for a bottom roster player. Maata is a 5/6 from most measures so he's essentially Michael Stone on the Flames.

If Jankowski exceeds that bottom half of the roster hurdle it was a solid pick even though they suggested he was a project. Will be interesting to see.

The other thing in this was adding the 2nd too, which looked like a great pick in Sieloff until he ran into injury issues.

Given that the Flames were at the very tail end of their previous core's life and we were highly unlikely to draft a player that was going to make an impact in the next 1-2 years, it seems like an even better pick.

If Jankowski turns into a top 6 player, this is a huge victory.

[Boreal]

Funny how things work out.

The Girgensons pick vs. Sieloff (Chiasson) & Jankowski. Girgenson hasn't seemed to be much of a world beater so I think at this point the deal is pretty much a saw off, with the wild card being Jankowski.

I never realized Girgensons played with Johnny in Dubuque until I just looked it up.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by blankall

Given that the Flames were at the very tail end of their previous core's life and we were highly unlikely to draft a player that was going to make an impact in the next 1-2 years, it seems like an even better pick.

If Jankowski turns into a top 6 player, this is a huge victory.

What do Flames fans think about the odds of Jankowski turning into a top six player at this point?

Personally, I think his offence is trending short for a top sixer. He didn't kill it in college offensively, and while his AHL season was good, I wouldn't say his numbers were eye popping for a 22 year old.

He tracks similar to Brian Boyle offensively. Behind guys like Haula or Jimmy Vesey.

If Jankowski sticks in the NHL I'd guess his upside at 25-35 points. Something like that.

Does that seem fair or unfair?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

What do Flames fans think about the odds of Jankowski turning into a top six player at this point?

Personally, I think he's in the same boat as Sam Bennett. Both players haven't acheived "top six player" status yet but I think both guys are, inherently, top six type talents. In fact I feel both players are currently offensively ahead of Ferland and Frolik, who are both playing in our top six, albeit on the wing as third wheels.

[FBI]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Initially I didn't mind the pick until I started figuring out that if everything goes well we won't see him for 5 or 6 years. I have to give him full credit for sticking to it, to get where he is though.

I've never been anti-Janko, I just think there were better options at the time such as my choice in Maatta but that's more to do with the GM and Weisbrod than Jankowski.

and by the way, I was thinking about my torched Vulcan motorcycle when I registered although Spock is great.

So what are you expecting from Janko now?
And are you happy with his development?

[dino7c]

IDK he has looked flat out dominant with the puck in the pre-season

Guy seems like a late bloomer to me, lets hope

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

What do Flames fans think about the odds of Jankowski turning into a top six player at this point?

Personally, I think his offence is trending short for a top sixer. He didn't kill it in college offensively, and while his AHL season was good, I wouldn't say his numbers were eye popping for a 22 year old.

He tracks similar to Brian Boyle offensively. Behind guys like Haula or Jimmy Vesey.

If Jankowski sticks in the NHL I'd guess his upside at 25-35 points. Something like that.

Does that seem fair or unfair?

I think that's reasonable at this point.
He might step into the nhl and find offense comes more freely with much better line mates, but that's seems pretty unlikely.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

lol he didnt even play

[JFK]

20-20 player, maybe 50-55 points in the really good years. He's been defying the odds and predictions for years now. Looking at who he played with, and the Friars style of player I'd say he killed it in the final year. Numbers weren't eye popping in the AHL but for a first year pro, regardless of age, they were very good, again leading his team in scoring.

Since day 1 Jankowski has been a very unique case so trying to track him with different players has been nearly impossible. It's also all about that final step and how guys adapt to the NHL. Brian Boyles offense never did, but that doesn't mean a guy on a similar route won't.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dino7c

lol he didnt even play

In the Cup Finals - Regehr was instrumental to the Kings winning in the previous three rounds.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

In the Cup Finals - Regehr was instrumental to the Kings winning in the previous three rounds.

he was so good they benched him...I love the guy too but the game certainly passed him by

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

What do Flames fans think about the odds of Jankowski turning into a top six player at this point?

I think he's pretty much a sure fire top 9 player with potential to be a decent 2nd line player. I would give his odds on being a top 6 player at around 35.425%.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dino7c

he was so good they benched him...I love the guy too but the game certainly passed him by

Maybe I'm misremembering but didn't Martinez, his direct replacement, pot the cup winning goal..? I mean maybe, just maybe the guy playing ahead of him was better without that being an indictment on Regehr...the next year Versteeg was also benched in favor of Teuvo Teravainen in the cup final IIRC.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

What do Flames fans think about the odds of Jankowski turning into a top six player at this point?

Personally, I think his offence is trending short for a top sixer. He didn't kill it in college offensively, and while his AHL season was good, I wouldn't say his numbers were eye popping for a 22 year old.

He tracks similar to Brian Boyle offensively. Behind guys like Haula or Jimmy Vesey.

If Jankowski sticks in the NHL I'd guess his upside at 25-35 points. Something like that.

Does that seem fair or unfair?

With his size and slow development he's a unique case so it's really hard to tell.

So it's difficult to listen to you (who's likely seen very little to nothing of his actual game play) tell a rival team's fan board what he's likely to top out at.

Very difficult to get a read at this point. One thing is for sure, he's got a lot of potential and has looked very good in this camp.

[JFK]

Regehr wasn't a healthy scratch, he wasn't benched, he hurt his knee. I dunno wtf dino7c is on about.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

What do Flames fans think about the odds of Jankowski turning into a top six player at this point?

Personally, I think his offence is trending short for a top sixer. He didn't kill it in college offensively, and while his AHL season was good, I wouldn't say his numbers were eye popping for a 22 year old.

He tracks similar to Brian Boyle offensively. Behind guys like Haula or Jimmy Vesey.

If Jankowski sticks in the NHL I'd guess his upside at 25-35 points. Something like that.

Does that seem fair or unfair?

Unfair IMO. He's very skilled and its obvious watching him on the ice. Good stick handling, good vision, a very hard shot. Of course you probably haven't had as much opportunity to watch him so its not surprising you might be cautious with a projection.

The one thing about projecting his numbers is a guy with his size and skating has nothing to overcome at the NHL level now that he's finally added strength. He isn't disadvantaged due to size, in fact he has the size advantage. He isn't slow. There's nothing holding him back from projecting his numbers.

I dunno having watched him play in rookie camps, preseason, college, and AHL highlights to me he has obvious and undeniable top two line talent. I think his upside is 50-60+ points in his prime. I think he's a notch below Monahan/Bennett in upside but not as far behind those guys in upside as many might think. Big upside with this kid. Impressive skill in a 6'5, 200+ lb frame. No real handicaps in his game.

[bigrangy]

Joe Colborne put up 44 points.

I'll be suprised if Janko doesn't match that total at least once.

[tvp2003]

When we drafted Jankowski:

- Kipper was still our starting goalie
- Glen Gulutzan was the head coach in Dallas
- Bob Hartley had just won a championship in the Swiss League
- Dennis Wideman was a pending UFA with Washington
- Jiri Hudler was a pending UFA with Detroit
- Sean Monahan had just finished his 2nd year with the Ottawa 67's
- Sam Bennett was barely old enough to drive
- The Oilers finally completed their rebuild... by drafting Nail Yakupov

What's the saying... time flies?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by JFK

Regehr wasn't a healthy scratch, he wasn't benched, he hurt his knee. I dunno wtf dino7c is on about.

I'm on about the comment "he was monumental in the first three rounds"

Guy played 8 games in the entire playoffs, he didn't exactly get robbed of the con smythe...he was a shadow of his former self and not as good a fit in the new game which was the original point...Feaster didn't make a good deal but his value wasn't really that high anymore.

I mean he was playing in the beer league by 36 years old...got a boarding penalty, god rest that guys soul