Alberta Politics Thread v2

[MoneyGuy]

It’s far worse when I see children holding those disgusting signs that say: God hates f**s.

[Manhattanboy]

I really like Jason Kenney and think he will serve the interests of Alberta far better than Notley.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

It's not ok in any circumstance.....where exactly are you getting that from? I didn't suggest that in any way, shape or form.

The problem in our system now is that too many people put too much weight on the "vote for your party" or "get this party out" way of thinking. I voted liberal in the last federal election simply because in listening to my candidates, that specific one made the most sense to me. Looking only at the party leader as the sole reason for your vote is not what our current system is supposed to be about and is a irresponsible way to wield your vote imo.

If the majority of people are now making their minds up before taking the time to listen and educate themselves, it will only mean this province will be doomed for years to come.

I understand the point that you are trying to make, but I don't think it adheres to reality. While in theory you are supposed to vote for your local representative, in practice, they will most likely be a back-bench MP that yields no power and will be whipped into towing the party (IE the PMO) line. Voting for an MP while completely ignoring the fact that the leader of that MP's party is an absurdly under-qualified candidate for the position of prime minister is far more irresponsible than simply voting by which leader you prefer.

[Muta]

Make Alberta Great Again!

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I really like Jason Kenney and think he will serve the interests of Alberta far better than Notley.

I think Jason Kenney is a charlatan who only wants power to further his own self interests, and won't do anything to help the average Albertan

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

No, now you’re twisting his words.

People who live in a democracy do not always understand or realise how very very lucky they are. We take it for granted. If everyone understood how important it was or actually respected the value of democracy, everyone would vote.

Pretty plain and simple. I don’t see Ozy advocating for forced voting, simply that it’s pretty embarrassing to have so little respect for democracy that you don’t even bother engaging in it.

You're doing the same thing. Do as you say or you're not "respecting the value of democracy". Also, "embarrassing"? Why? Because someone makes a choice you don't like. That's not far removed from saying the same things about a person who chooses the wrong candidate.

And if you want to get down to it, I find the concept of abstaining from voting or deliberately spoiling a ballot (which is a valid form of protest) to be no more of an affront to democracy than Corsi's suggestion of just protest voting for a party. In all cases, you're deliberately not casting a legitimate ballot on who you want to represent you.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Muta

Make Alberta Great Again!

Close, but you've got the wrong picture.

Spoiler!

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Muta

Make Alberta Great Again!

Really looking forward to a month of insightful commentary from you and your brother.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I think Jason Kenney is a charlatan who only wants power to further his own self interests, and won't do anything to help the average Albertan

So I can tell Jason he can count on your vote then?

[Rando]

Okay but what is there to like about Jason Kenny exactly? To like him so much you boast about it

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Really looking forward to a month of insightful commentary from you and your brother.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

And if you want to get down to it, I find the concept of abstaining from voting or deliberately spoiling a ballot (which is a valid form of protest) to be no more of an affront to democracy than Corsi's suggestion of just protest voting for a party. In all cases, you're deliberately not casting a legitimate ballot on who you want to represent you.

Aren't you? If you cast a protest vote, you're effectively saying that X is the lesser of the available evils. In that case, you're still saying that the lesser evil is the best option, and therefore, of the available options, the one you want to represent you.

In theory, I can see a circumstance where you just absolutely cannot bring yourself to vote for any of the available options. Honestly, the upcoming Federal election might present such a dilemma for some people. But in this one, is there really any instance where you can't bring yourself to vote for either the NDP or the UCP, but the AP is also just not an option? What would your politics have to be for that to be the case? It was a serious question, because I just don't know what sort of person that could possibly describe.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Really looking forward to a month of insightful commentary from you and your brother.

What cracks me up is the claim that the NDP and supporters are the party of "love and hope and optimism"....until you dont agree with them.

Then its attack and division...no problem.

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

not a good picture.

why are kids front and center at an announcement?

Kids? I thought those were the last few candidates they found to fill out their slate...?

Visible minority, female, young, willing to trade entire paycheck for candy... checks all the NDP boxes!

[Muta]

Originally Posted by transplant99

What cracks me up is the claim that the NDP and supporters are the party of "love and hope and optimism"....until you dont agree with them.

Then its attack and division...no problem.

I agree, I hate that too. Thank god I'm not an NDP supporter!

[Knut]

I like both Schweitzer and Clark. I wish they were in different riding's so they could both be in there.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Aren't you? If you cast a protest vote, you're effectively saying that X is the lesser of the available evils. In that case, you're still saying that the lesser evil is the best option, and therefore, of the available options, the one you want to represent you.

In theory, I can see a circumstance where you just absolutely cannot bring yourself to vote for any of the available options. Honestly, the upcoming Federal election might present such a dilemma for some people. But in this one, is there really any instance where you can't bring yourself to vote for either the NDP or the UCP, but the AP is also just not an option? What would your politics have to be for that to be the case? It was a serious question, because I just don't know what sort of person that could possibly describe.

What, you just gonna ignore the Liberals? They have a party too you know! Right? They still exist, don't they? Hrmmm...

[stone hands]

you guys are right, people in 3rd world countries would kill to be able to elect out of touch figureheads who dont serve their constituents until they realize they are living in basically the same system of governance since people in power are going to do whatever they want anyways until they reach a zen-like state of total apathy like the rest of us who have been able to vote forever

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

What, you just gonna ignore the Liberals? They have a party too you know! Right? They still exist, don't they? Hrmmm...

LOL...its funny cause its true.

In reality though the AB party is the de-facto Liberal party in this province.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Aren't you? If you cast a protest vote, you're effectively saying that X is the lesser of the available evils. In that case, you're still saying that the lesser evil is the best option, and therefore, of the available options, the one you want to represent you.

Because when you protest vote, you aren't actually voting for someone. You're voting against someone else. If you legitimately think that the AP candidate - in this example - is the best fit for you, then you aren't making a protest vote.

In theory, I can see a circumstance where you just absolutely cannot bring yourself to vote for any of the available options. Honestly, the upcoming Federal election might present such a dilemma for some people. But in this one, is there really any instance where you can't bring yourself to vote for either the NDP or the UCP, but the AP is also just not an option? What would your politics have to be for that to be the case? It was a serious question, because I just don't know what sort of person that could possibly describe.

The scenario I can envision is one of hating both Notely and Kenney for reasons already discussed ad nauseam, and finding Mandel's excuse of "my guy was sick" for incompetently failing to get his paperwork in despite having four months to do so to be lacking. All three leaders are uninspiring in their own ways. And few people naive enough to think we vote for anything but a party or leader.