Boardwalk Empire-The Show to Watch This Fall

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by nik-

Spoiler about season 4 from Terrence Winter.

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Gillian, doesn't die from the Heroin.

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Why would she have? I don't think that would have been nearly enough to OD on. Even if she had succeeded in injecting Gyp with it she still would have had to kill him, just like she did with Jimmy 2.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

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Why would she have? I don't think that would have been nearly enough to OD on. Even if she had succeeded in injecting Gyp with it she still would have had to kill him, just like she did with Jimmy 2.

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because she was planning on putting down a 200 pound man, not an 120 pound woman. It was left ambiguous in the show, it wasn't obvious she didn't die.

[Coys1882]

I don't know much about heroin but I assume if you OD that effect takes place immediately and probably wouldn't allow you to move to a hallway and be conscious enough to talk to someone?

Anyway - I too felt a little letdown but I can understand why after the previous episode.

• I wanted Gyp's death to be more personal. Gillian or Nucky would have been better.
• I wanted a scene BETWEEN Richard and Gillian
• I loved how Nucky did indeed NOT forget about how Arnold walked away from him after his plea for help.

[rohara66]

I was a little let down with that episode as well. It wasn't bad but it could have been so much more.

[Winsor_Pilates]

I liked it, but yeah it wasn't as good as last week.
Still sets up some good plot lines for next season though.

I don't mind how Gyp died either. The simplicity of it is what I liked about it.

By the end he had no one with him, no support and his own guy who he treated like crap gets to kill him.
He died such a loser in the end, after trying to be so big all season and I think that was the point.
He wasn't even worthy of a big kill in the end. Just a mad dog pawn in the much bigger picture.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by nik-

It was left ambiguous in the show, it wasn't obvious she didn't die.

I guess. I would just fully expect that a main character around for all 3 seasons would not die an ambiguous death. Even 1 show characters get a very obvious shovel to the head.

Originally Posted by Coys1882

I wanted Gyp's death to be more personal. Gillian or Nucky would have been better.

Wasn't the guy that killed him the one who's cousin was killed on the beach? Seems personal enough. I'm honestly glad it wasn't Gillian that did. She's a cathouse operator that thinks she's bigger in that town than she is. I really don't want to see her make the jump to offing semi-major mobsters.

[Iceman57]

**THIS POST CONTAINS SPOILERS**





AWESOME!

I loved the season finale, really enjoyed the character developments especially Harrow's much vindicated Rambo type slaughter, sorta wish he was the one to kill Gyp but i was ok with the way he died. Although it would have been more gangster if Tonino would have whispered to Gyp "It's cause I respect you." while he knifed him. Harrow is so bad ass, I enjoyed his character right from the start and i pray he teams up with Nucky in the next season.

Speaking of Nucky, when he agreed to give up 99% of the Overholt distillery to Rothstein i screamed a loud Darth Vader NOOOOOO at my TV, i hated the move and didn't believe it to be necessary but then later to find out that Rothstein is now going to get arrested for running it that was unbelievable sweet vengeance, totally did not see it coming but now I am very interested to know just how Nucky got Andrew Mellon to agree to the set up when in a earlier episode he promised to supply Melon with a very fat envelop each month, very interesting.

To be quite honest, i didn't fully understand the Arnold Rothstein fifty pounds of coke angle, what did he gain from essentially stealing the coke which basically belonged to Masseria and only obtained it by tricking Lucky Luciano into giving it up? I remember that Lucky and Meyer Lansky went to Rothstein first for the loan to buy the coke but he said no so id like to know what I'm missing there? Over all i really enjoyed this season, i wouldn't mind seeing Margaret struggle at the beginning of next season only to then come back to Nucky begging on her knees. A lot of people dislike her but i hate the Gillian character so much more.

I had to watch Boardwalk last night but i still have Dexter, Homeland and Walking Dead pvr'd and hope to watch them all before the weekend. Until next season guys its been a blast......pun totally intended.

[Igottago]

Gyp was the most interesting part of the season the entire way through. Too bad yet another interesting character is gone, but his reign was always going to be a short lived one. I don't mind how he died, he pretty much got strategically smoked out and was powerless in the end. No need for a Scarface style ending.

The Harrow killing spree was fantastic.

Overall I think the season had a great start and end. In the middle it kind of lulled a little too much for my liking.

[Yamer]

Pretty anti-climactic episode. Too bad. Fairly disappointed in Gyp's demise.

Harrow bringing down the thunder was the best part.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Iceman57

Harrow is so bad ass, I enjoyed his character right from the start and i pray he teams up with Nucky in the next season

I'm sure that will be the case, he has noone else to work for now and there is no real bad blood between the two. He has said that he is okay with Jimmy dying because he went out like a soldier.

Originally Posted by Iceman57

I am very interested to know just how Nucky got Andrew Mellon to agree to the set up when in a earlier episode he promised to supply Melon with a very fat envelop each month, very interesting.

When he first made the offer he was told no and thrown out of the club. We can only speculate that Nucky came up with a different offer to take down AR somewhere between then and when he got the phone call accepting his offer. I'm wondering if Doyle knew about the sting or if they just counted on him being a rat.

Originally Posted by Iceman57

To be quite honest, i didn't fully understand the Arnold Rothstein fifty pounds of coke angle, what did he gain from essentially stealing the coke which basically belonged to Masseria and only obtained it by tricking Lucky Luciano into giving it up? I remember that Lucky and Meyer Lansky went to Rothstein first for the loan to buy the coke but he said no so id like to know what I'm missing there?

I was wondering that too, why would Masseria pull his support for Gyp over $100,000 worth of heroin that was essentially his anyway? If Gyp could have taken over Atlantic City that would be much more valuable. AR must have offered him a him a big stake in all future drug trade.

Originally Posted by Iceman57

i wouldn't mind seeing Margaret struggle at the beginning of next season only to then come back to Nucky begging on her knees. A lot of people dislike her but i hate the Gillian character so much more.

I dislike both but Gillian is a much better villian, Margaret is just annoying.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Kinda spoilered myself but got into reading the history & bios of some of these characters.
It's amazing how deep this show could go & for how many seasons of great character developments of these historical figures.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Kinda spoilered myself but got into reading the history & bios of some of these characters.
It's amazing how deep this show could go & for how many seasons of great character developments of these historical figures.

i'm still waiting for Al Capone to really get going in this series. the finale was a nice start, hopefully he features far more prominently in the next season

[trackercowe]

People need to see the big picture here, like Winsor said Gyp was just a mad dog that needed to be put down. Boardwalk still has plenty of historical figures, and facts that they can and should go over during the next few seasons. While he did make a good villain he was essentially just an underling who was easily dealt with once his support was pulled.

I do agree though that the beginning was a bit rushed, as you they really didn't give us any idea on how long the mob war went on for. The mayor seemed to have gone through many interviews, but was that just a day? a week? a month? Seems like a lot of TV shows do that these days, and maybe it could have been done better if they had done it over 2 episodes rather than one.

It's going to be interesting to see where they go from here, as they can pretty much go in any direction they want. They could easily write off many characters for next season if chosen; Margaret, Rothstein, Harrow, and Gillian could all not come back. I expect Van Alden to play a much bigger role, and the Chicago situation should become a bigger plot point soon. The same can be said with Luciano and Lansky since they are big historical players at the time. Will they really have enough time to deviate to many other secondary stories?

I also wonder if at some point they might get into the Elliot Ness/Untouchables stuff. or start a Los Angeles/Mickey Cohen/Bugsy/Las Vegas angle. I realize these events might not have much to do with Nucky Thompson and Atlantic City, but obviously this show isn't necessarily going for complete historical facts.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

or start a Los Angeles/Mickey Cohen/Bugsy/Las Vegas angle.

I'd enjoy seeing Benny's rise. Although that wasn't until the 40s. Not sure how many years they plan on spanning the TV show.

[Senator Clay Davis]

It was definitely a somewhat disappointing finale. I'm cool with Gyp's demise, indeed in the end he was basically a man alone so the need for a wild and crazy death seemed unneccesary at that point. The final scene with Margaret was nice in that it summed up her overall role in the show: its pointless. I hope thats it for her, since I really can't see where this is going with her from here. If next season is going to involve any significant amount of time to Nucky trying to win her back, it'll be a waste.

Hopefully next season focuses solely on the gangster stuff. There's more than enough there to drive several storylines, and even though I enjoy Richard as a character, I don't find him essential to any storyline going forward. If that was it for him though, obviously can't go out much better (though I hoped he'd utilize a few bladed weapons in his massacre, just for violence sake). Overall I'd give the season a 9/10, better than season 2 but not quite up to season 1.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

It was definitely a somewhat disappointing finale. I'm cool with Gyp's demise, indeed in the end he was basically a man alone so the need for a wild and crazy death seemed unneccesary at that point. The final scene with Margaret was nice in that it summed up her overall role in the show: its pointless. I hope thats it for her, since I really can't see where this is going with her from here. If next season is going to involve any significant amount of time to Nucky trying to win her back, it'll be a waste.

Hopefully next season focuses solely on the gangster stuff. There's more than enough there to drive several storylines, and even though I enjoy Richard as a character, I don't find him essential to any storyline going forward. If that was it for him though, obviously can't go out much better (though I hoped he'd utilize a few bladed weapons in his massacre, just for violence sake). Overall I'd give the season a 9/10, better than season 2 but not quite up to season 1.

from the sounds of it that's exactly what they're planning. Nucky realizes now that he can't live in 2 worlds (underworld gangster, public celebrity) anymore. that's why he talked to Eli about only letting in people they already trust, and taking the flower off his suit at the end

i wonder if that means we'll see him move away from Atlantic City to somewhere he isn't as well known in. i'd like to see New York or Chicago feature far more prominently in the show next season

[Senator Clay Davis]

I sure hope we see more outside AC. With Luciano and Lansky in particular, I'd love to see the formation of "The Commission"

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

I'd enjoy seeing Benny's rise. Although that wasn't until the 40s. Not sure how many years they plan on spanning the TV show.

Likely a Spoiler for some not wanting to know about the real life characters out of the show. Click at own risk.

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At this point, I don't think the viewer is really even supposed to know who Benny really is.
I'm expecting him to become much bigger character as the seasons progress but I think the show has intentionally slipped him in there quietly.

There's a few other big historical figures that I could see coming into the show on the Lucky/Myers side of things too. Especially now that they've fallen out with Rothstein.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

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At this point, I don't think the viewer is really even supposed to know who Benny really is.

Yeah, that's a very valid point.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Likely a Spoiler for some not wanting to know about the real life characters out of the show. Click at own risk.

Spoiler!

At this point, I don't think the viewer is really even supposed to know who Benny really is.
I'm expecting him to become much bigger character as the seasons progress but I think the show has intentionally slipped him in there quietly.

There's a few other big historical figures that I could see coming into the show on the Lucky/Myers side of things too. Especially now that they've fallen out with Rothstein.

history spoiler

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Luciano doesn't really get big until the late 20's and the moustache petes don't get killed off until 1931, which is when him and Lansky et all really become bigtime. I doubt we'll see any of them big time unless they use it as part of the closing of the series. Capone, however, has his pinnacle right in Boardwalk's timeline wheelhouse.