Ratings weren't even the topic at hand with that comment. you were trying imply that somehow Leno's humour was so much superior to Conan's. I was simply trying to point out that it wasn't.
Leno's comedy if anything is so much less intelligent than Conan's, it's so one dimensional, boring, exactly what it appears to be. Conan's is much more original, and often has a touch of irony attached to it.
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Yep, and Nickelback sell a lot of records. It doesn't change the fact that they're both terribly average and low-brow. Leno's jokes are about as fresh as the produce kept at Nellie's.
I don't see how Conan stabbed anyone in the back. His contract came up and he had a chance to jump to a better opportunity. NBC didn't want to lose him so they gave him an incentive to stay. Jay could've told them to pound sand in '04 and they could've just let Conan go.
You don't think that a guy requesting someone elses job is backstabbing?
Leno's jokes work. That's all there's too it, you may not like it, but in the end that means very little. Just like the LadyGaga thread, the masses rule.
Ratings weren't even the topic at hand with that comment. you were trying imply that somehow Leno's humour was so much superior to Conan's. I was simply trying to point out that it wasn't.
Leno's comedy if anything is so much less intelligent than Conan's, it's so one dimensional, boring, exactly what it appears to be. Conan's is much more original, and often has a touch of irony attached to it.
Leno is popular because he appeals to the lowest common denominator. You barely need a GED to get his humour. The guy wouldn't know subtlety if it smacked him in the face with a shovel.
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His show didn't have the luxury of competing against other comedy shows. That's why it failed.
I'm not even sure what that comment means. so CBS, Fox and ABC should have adjusted their schedule to accommodate Leno? mabye they should have moved Dave and Kimmel to 10:00. then Leno would have cleaned up?
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Ratings weren't even the topic at hand with that comment. you were trying imply that somehow Leno's humour was so much superior to Conan's. I was simply trying to point out that it wasn't.
Leno's comedy if anything is so much less intelligent than Conan's, it's so one dimensional, boring, exactly what it appears to be. Conan's is much more original, and often has a touch of irony attached to it.
Maybe that's why the masses don't like Conan? What are we debating here? As far as facts go Leno is the better host of the Tonight Show. Unless you only go with opinions.
Lost in all this is the fact that Conan's ratings were horrible. Leno's were too, but he worked with a new show in a very difficult time slot. Maybe Conan could do better at 10? He did not do well at 11:35. That's why he is the one leaving.
You don't think that a guy requesting someone elses job is backstabbing?
Leno's jokes work. That's all there's too it, you may not like it, but in the end that means very little. Just like the LadyGaga thread, the masses rule.
No, I don't. Conan was getting offers from ABC and FOX to host a talk-show in the same timeslot as Leno. The only way it made sense for him to stay on NBC is if he was getting the same lucrative spot. The guy paid his dues and earned his place.
I'm not even sure what that comment means. so CBS, Fox and ABC should have adjusted their schedule to accommodate Leno? mabye they should have moved Dave and Kimmel to 10:00. then Leno would have cleaned up?
Or maybe it means that the Leno show was set to fail from the get go. it was a big gamble (comedy at prime time) and it did not work. He had to compete with all the prime time shows, not the comedy fillers. Leno at 11:35 is a winner and has been for 15 years.
No, I don't. Conan was getting offers from ABC and FOX to host a talk-show in the same timeslot as Leno. The only way it made sense for him to stay on NBC is if he was getting the same lucrative spot. The guy paid his dues and earned his place.
Maybe that's why the masses don't like Conan? What are we debating here? As far as facts go Leno is the better host of the Tonight Show. Unless you only go with opinions.
Lost in all this is the fact that Conan's ratings were horrible. Leno's were too, but he worked with a new show in a very difficult time slot. Maybe Conan could do better at 10? He did not do well at 11:35. That's why he is the one leaving.
It's not a fair comparison. If Leno leaves the network, then Conan inherits Leno's audience, brings his own Late Night audience with him, and has a shot at building a new audience. Instead Leno took his audience with him, alienated the new audience with his awful schtick, and left Conan with only his Late Night audience.
When Leno took over from Carson, he inherited Carson's audience and had a good three years to build his core audience. Leno's ratings were bad when he originally took over back in the 90s and he had much less to compete with back then, let alone a crappy talk show preceding his.
Conan has 2 other network shows to compete with, plus a cable talkshow market that didn't exist in the early 90s. Apples to oranges.
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Or maybe it means that the Leno show was set to fail from the get go. it was a big gamble (comedy at prime time) and it did not work. He had to compete with all the prime time shows, not the comedy fillers. Leno at 11:35 is a winner and has been for 15 years.
I wonder how all of this will affect the Tonight show's legacy, it's ratings, Leno's popularity... I would have serious doubts about it ever achieving the status it was at prior to this whole mess.
I have contended from the beginning and i'll say it again now.
Conan was not the problem. NBC messed with peoples routine, by placing the show they usually watch just before going to bed at 10:00(was Leno's new show all that different?). Conan never had a chance.
I'd still like to see a poll on this thread.
Conan or Leno?
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Reason: oops, put 10:30 instead of 10:00
Leno was new, he had no followers. Conan's been on the tube for ages. Big difference.
Leno had the luxury of being a regular "Guest host" on the tonight show prior to him taking over. Conan had no such luxury. I think that was also a big mistake on NBC's part.
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You're right, they should put him at 6 pm. No competition, easy win as everybody would watch a comedy show rather than the news
You said in the quote that Leno failed because he didn't have to compete against other comedy shows. I questioned your reasoning and now you reply by saying I was the one saying to put Leno on during a timeslot with no competition? What in the bloody hell are you talking about anymore?
You said in the quote that Leno failed because he didn't have to compete against other comedy shows. I questioned your reasoning and now you reply by saying I was the one saying to put Leno on during a timeslot with no competition? What in the bloody hell are you talking about anymore?
I already explained why the time slot is so important and why Leno's show had a much tougher slot.
Or maybe it means that the Leno show was set to fail from the get go. it was a big gamble (comedy at prime time) and it did not work. He had to compete with all the prime time shows, not the comedy fillers. Leno at 11:35 is a winner and has been for 15 years
I already explained why the time slot is so important and why Leno's show had a much tougher slot.
Or maybe it means that the Leno show was set to fail from the get go. it was a big gamble (comedy at prime time) and it did not work. He had to compete with all the prime time shows, not the comedy fillers. Leno at 11:35 is a winner and has been for 15 years
You make it sound excusable that Leno's show failed. His show didn't work because people are sick of watching him on TV. I understand he had good ratings right until the end of his run at 11 30, but TV audiences were watching him for the past 5 years knowing that he was gone within a short time. There is a lot of hate out there towards Leno right now. I haven't seen an online poll that Conan didn't destroy Leno in.
You're going to see his ratings continue to be low when he moves back to 11 30. Conan will go to FOX at 11pm and do very well. It's a perfectly written script. NBC will undoubtedly be kicking themselves for this within a year or two.
A lack of competition caused a lower amount of viewers? 
