Israel and Lebanon now fighting

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by spiteface

Dont even start with the name-calling game. I just picked up my friends from the airport who fled the country in disbelief. YOU have no room to speak unless you've been there and felt what demolition they were undergoing. You speak from a safe persepective from your little house in Calgary or Canada or whatever.

This is what is happening: The US is the bully in town. Israel is its little rich friend. The arab countries are the ones that don't take **** from the bullies. The USA wants to get into Syria/Iran, and this was perfect timing for Israel to set things up.

Who suffers... Lebanon. The country coming out of a massive civil war and its aftermath. How the hell do ppl let Israel get away with what it is doing? Isn't that terrorism? Tell me who in their right mind can go in and literally bring down an entire nation in a matter of 5 days?

You mean to tell me, that the all might Israel can't take out a minor group such as Hizbollah? You my friend are biased towards the Israeli cause and you think that anything they do is justified. Hizbollah is a terrorist organization? And you're not another robot to the system eh... Label everything like you're used to hearing from the news don't ya. HIzbollah has freed Lebanon's south in 2000 and continues to battel for the Shebaa Farms. Now tell me this, who's the terrorist? 250 Dead to 20 Dead? No questions asked. Why do you always mask everything and justify it as do the media outlets. Is it safe from your perspective or are you a coward to face the truth.

I had a response to this, but I realized that its not worth it. I'm glad that your friends got out safe though.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by spiteface

What I love is ppl actually give Azure credibility and he/she claims that everybody else doesn't know **** all. Buddy i'd love to see you in the middle of it all and how we would'nt hear a peep from you.

What is that supposed to mean?

Its hilarious that you DEFEND, support and sympathize for a TERRORIST run organization. In fact, its SICK.

Hizbollah is a terrorist organization? And you're not another robot to the system eh... Label everything like you're used to hearing from the news don't ya. HIzbollah has freed Lebanon's south in 2000 and continues to battel for the Shebaa Farms.

That comment is sick, pathetic and utterly filled with ignorance and hatred towards Israel.

Known or suspected to have been involved in numerous anti-US and anti-Israeli terrorist attacks, including the suicide truck bombings of the US Embassy and US Marine barracks in Beirut in 1983 and the US Embassy annex in Beirut in 1984. Three members of Hizballah, ‘Imad Mughniyah, Hasan Izz-al-Din, and Ali Atwa, are on the FBI’s list of 22 Most Wanted Terrorists for the 1985 hijacking of TWA Flight 847 during which a US Navy diver was murdered. Elements of the group were responsible for the kidnapping and detention of Americans and other Westerners in Lebanon in the 1980s. Hizballah also attacked the Israeli Embassy in Argentina in 1992 and the Israeli cultural center in Buenos Aires in 1994. In 2000, Hizballah operatives captured three Israeli soldiers in the Shab’a Farms and kidnapped an Israeli noncombatant.


Hizballah also provides guidance and financial and operational support for Palestinian extremist groups engaged in terrorist operations in Israel and the occupied territories.
In 2004, Hizballah launched an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) that left Lebanese airspace and flew over the Israeli town of Nahariya before crashing into Lebanese territorial waters. Ten days prior to the event, the Hizballah Secretary General said Hizballah would come up with new measures to counter Israeli Air Force violations of Lebanese airspace. Hizballah also continued launching small scale attacks across the Israeli border, resulting in the deaths of several Israeli soldiers. In March 2004, Hizballah and HAMAS signed an agreement to increase joint efforts to perpetrate attacks against Israel. In late 2004, Hizballah’s al-Manar television station, based in Beirut with an estimated ten million viewers worldwide, was prohibited from broadcasting in France. Al-Manar was placed on the Terrorist Exclusion List (TEL) in the United States, which led to its removal from the program offerings of its main cable service provider, and made it more difficult for al-Manar associates and affiliates to operate in the United States.

Just because they attack the country you would love to see whiped off the face of the map, does not make them "freedom fighters."

But I guess for a guy that supports annexing a free, legal and democratic nation, every terrorist activity is a fight for "freedom."

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

What? I thought Israel was the only democracy in the region? Or does it only count as a democracy when they people elect a group that meets the approval of western conservatives?

Ho-hum. It's all got me wondering though -- when some Lebanese kid who was made an orphan during this past week becomes a terrorist in 10 years and does something crazy, how many of us will still smile and nod when someone tells us he hates us for our freedoms?

HAMAS is democratic as well.

Nothing against the people in a democratic nation, nor do I have anything against the people of Lebanon, but I do have a problem when a nations supports, harbours and elects a group that has one purpose, to wipe out Israel.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Any person who thinks that Hezballah is not a Terrorist organization is completely out to lunch.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Azure

HAMAS is democratic as well.

Nothing against the people in a democratic nation, nor do I have anything against the people of Lebanon, but I do have a problem when a nations supports, harbours and elects a group that has one purpose, to wipe out Israel.

I do have to say that Hezballah holds very little political power in Lebanon and most of the people in Lebanon do not support Hezballah either as a political group or as terrorist group.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I do have to say that Hezballah holds very little political power in Lebanon and most of the people in Lebanon do not support Hezballah either as a political group or as terrorist group.

Regardless, they still hold political seats.

I am not blaming the people of Lebanon, but the government for refusing to deal with their problem the past 20 years.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Any person who thinks that Hezballah is not a Terrorist organization is completely out to lunch.

And I thought everyone was acceptful of that fact.

Now I have to go back and make sure that everything I have heard the past 2 weeks about Hezbollah is actually true.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Azure

Regardless, they still hold political seats.

I am not blaming the people of Lebanon, but the government for refusing to deal with their problem the past 20 years.

I agree with you. Just saying that it's not political party like Hamas

[jolinar of malkshor]

The Lebonese government is currently in violation of UN resolution 1559

On September 2, 2004, the UN Security Council adopted UN Security Council Resolution 1559, coauthored by France and the United States. Echoing the Taif Agreement, the resolution "calls upon all remaining foreign forces to withdraw from Lebanon" and "for the disbanding and disarmament of all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias." Lebanon is currently in violation of Resolution 1559 over its refusal to disband the military wing of Hezbollah. Syria was also in violation of the resolution until recently because of their military presence in Lebanon

[Azure]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I agree with you. Just saying that it's not political party like Hamas

Oh I know.

HAMAS is the majority elected government, therein lies the difference.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

The Lebonese government is currently in violation of UN resolution 1559

On September 2, 2004, the UN Security Council adopted UN Security Council Resolution 1559, coauthored by France and the United States. Echoing the Taif Agreement, the resolution "calls upon all remaining foreign forces to withdraw from Lebanon" and "for the disbanding and disarmament of all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias." Lebanon is currently in violation of Resolution 1559 over its refusal to disband the military wing of Hezbollah. Syria was also in violation of the resolution until recently because of their military presence in Lebanon

If the US didn't veto seven pro-lebanon/palestinian resolutions, maybe we'd see Israel violating some of that?

Point is, UN resolutions mean NOTHING in this conflict because it's all one sided.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

They didnt ask for help until after the situation exploded. I am talking about years ago when they should have taken control of Hezbollah and didn't. Of course they don't want international help now (US or Israel) because then they wouldn't beable to attack Hezbollah. It would be just another complete waste of time and money.

They have had a small contingent of UN ofrces in Lebanon since 1982 and that force did NOTHING to contraol Hezbollah. Infact, they were actually scared of them and pretty much turned a blind eye.

I thought you were talking about now. my mistake.

I'm not too familiar with Lebanons efforts to control Hezbollah in the past. If there hasn't been many, then I would agree with you there should have been.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Regorium

If the US didn't veto seven pro-lebanon/palestinian resolutions, maybe we'd see Israel violating some of that?

Point is, UN resolutions mean NOTHING in this conflict because it's all one sided.

The problem is it isn't one sided. Israels goal is not to wipe out all Arabs, Syria, Iran, Lebanon as Hamas and Hezbollah stated goals are.

Militarily it needs to be one sided for if it wasn't, Israel would not be here as we speak. If either Hamas or Hezbollah had the chance they would wipe Israel from the face of the planet.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Regorium

If the US didn't veto seven pro-lebanon/palestinian resolutions, maybe we'd see Israel violating some of that?

Point is, UN resolutions mean NOTHING in this conflict because it's all one sided.

Those were veto'd, this one was passed which means that Lebanon has broken international law.

Israel isn't violating something that didn't pass through the security council.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Regorium

If the US didn't veto seven pro-lebanon/palestinian resolutions, maybe we'd see Israel violating some of that?

Point is, UN resolutions mean NOTHING in this conflict because it's all one sided.

Oh the irony.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Those were veto'd, this one was passed which means that Lebanon has broken international law.

Israel isn't violating something that didn't pass through the security council.

Put Iran on the Security Council and see how many of those resolutions that Lebanon is violating pass.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Regorium

Put Iran on the Security Council and see how many of those resolutions that Lebanon is violating pass.

If Iran would be on the security council, it would be a sad, sad day for the civilized world.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

The problem is it isn't one sided. Israels goal is not to wipe out all Arabs, Syria, Iran, Lebanon as Hamas and Hezbollah stated goals are.

Militarily it needs to be one sided for if it wasn't, Israel would not be here as we speak. If either Hamas or Hezbollah had the chance they would wipe Israel from the face of the planet.

Yeah, it's terrible because a civilization can't stand on its own. Needs outside help. Israel hides behind big brother USA.

Of COURSE the USA is going to veto everything. Allies should not be allowed to vote on issues pertaining to other allies. Such biased-ness is not only NOT in the world's best interests, but will further escalate any violence already there.

[Cube Inmate]

CC...that post gives me serious deja vu for some reason.

On topic...the fact is that "international law" is only that which is enforced by the broad international community. He who hath the biggest stick is right. UN resolutions that aren't enforced are worth exactly as much as the paper they're written on.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by Azure

If Iran would be on the security council, it would be a sad, sad day for the civilized world.

My point is. The USA is going to veto everything that's even remotely anti-Israel. How's that fair?