[News] Conroy, Maloney, Nonis and Pascall all extended 2 years

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I suspect the deal was done in principle at the beginning of the season and they just announced it now after getting the docs formally signed.

As people have said, there was no reason to lie abo0ut it. So why assume they are? because Francis said so? But at the same time he’s Edwards’ mouthpiece? That makes zero sense.

None of it makes sense. Lying or withholding information, take your pick.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

None of it makes sense. Lying or withholding information, take your pick.

Withholding information from who? Like who is entitled to this information? Pretty sure they were not lying. Suspect that what they did not say is that they had an agreement in principle but it was not signed on the dotted line.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TOfan

None of it makes sense. Lying or withholding information, take your pick.

What info was withheld? That they had made a deal? They are not obliged to tell anyone about management contracts. And until the docs are signed they probably shouldn't.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

What info was withheld? That they had made a deal? They are not obliged to tell anyone about management contracts. And until the docs are signed they probably shouldn't.

Sure but when were the contracts signed? Honest question, I don’t know. And you’re right, they don’t have to say anything publicly.

I just think given what had transpired with the Maloney interviews it show a lack of good will with the fan base. Are fans owed this? No, I guess not. They can run things how they choose I suppose. They won’t be seeing a dime from my pocket though.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Sure but when were the contracts signed? Honest question, I don’t know. And you’re right, they don’t have to say anything publicly.

I just think given what had transpired with the Maloney interviews it show a lack of good will with the fan base. Are fans owed this? No, I guess not. They can run things how they choose I suppose. They won’t be seeing a dime from my pocket though.

You are not going to change their minds. It is the same 8 or so posters who will defend anything the organization does no matter what, in every thread.

But really I just see as damage control. The whole timeline is very confusing and doesn't make much sense given the Maloney interview prior. Either way it is not good PR, bit of a clown show going on in the organization clearly. But ultimately it doesn't really matter, Conroy is signed now.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Withholding information from who? Like who is entitled to this information? Pretty sure they were not lying. Suspect that what they did not say is that they had an agreement in principle but it was not signed on the dotted line.

Well, the Flames have bit of a history of this. They did it to Treliving as well. Let the GM enter the final year of his contract without an extension. That’s one way to do it, I guess.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

You are not going to change their minds. It is the same 8 or so posters who will defend anything the organization does no matter what, in every thread.

But really I just see as damage control. The whole timeline is very confusing and doesn't make much sense given the Maloney interview prior. Either way it is not good PR, bit of a clown show going on in the organization clearly. But ultimately it doesn't really matter, Conroy is signed now.

Agreed. I think this was mishandled, badly, and the announcement of the extensions was pure damage control.

[TOfan]

Even Pat Stienberg who is as loyal as it gets and works for the rights holder has been saying that none of this makes any sense.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Even Pat Stienberg who is as loyal as it gets and works for the rights holder has been saying that none of this makes any sense.

I am not saying it makes sense just saying that nobody is entitled to know what is going on behind the scenes. Don’t think I have heard of a team announcing a signing before it is signed, so that usually does not happen. But they could well have had a handshake agreement or something.

But thinking that Eric Francis and Frankie Seravelli are the purveyors of truth is definitely a hot take.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

You are not going to change their minds. It is the same 8 or so posters who will defend anything the organization does no matter what, in every thread.

But really I just see as damage control. The whole timeline is very confusing and doesn't make much sense given the Maloney interview prior. Either way it is not good PR, bit of a clown show going on in the organization clearly. But ultimately it doesn't really matter, Conroy is signed now.

LOL, like you don't criticize the organization no matter what they do, in every thread.

I wager I criticize the Flames more than you say they did something right.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I am not saying it makes sense just saying that nobody is entitled to know what is going on behind the scenes. Don’t think I have heard of a team announcing a signing before it is signed, so that usually does not happen. But they could well have had a handshake agreement or something.

But thinking that Eric Francis and Frankie Seravelli are the purveyors of truth is definitely a hot take.

I agree with what you’re saying. And I also agree with what you’re saying about Francis and Serivalli.

I just am making my own observations based on what’s public. It just would not surprise me in the least that the organization l’s decision to either finalize or announce the extensions as a way to appease a fan base that was rightfully pissed off.

[Bingo]

I don't think anyone is defending the way the Flames have managed the message or their PR these days. It's a mess.

I just think to some this is pretty small stuff compared to more important things like team budling, asset management and drafting.

But if others want to be mad about it ... go for it.

[Badgers Nose]

My favourite part is, 'The Flames management suck because they don't care about and never listen to fans. That's why they signed Conroy after fans got upset, and lied about doing it earlier to make them feel better.'

LOL

[PepsiFree]

It can be both another example of the Flames sloppy, terrible PR, and also just a totally meaningless thing devoid of nefarious intentions and not at all worth caring about.

Suggesting not getting worked up about it is equal to defending the Flames is really silly. As is the notion that someone who stop spending money on the Flames if the ownership was lying about when management contracts were signed. Everyone is entitled to do whatever they want with their money but using this as some moral excuse or whatever seems odd to me personally.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It can be both another example of the Flames sloppy, terrible PR, and also just a totally meaningless thing devoid of nefarious intentions and not at all worth caring about.

Suggesting not getting worked up about it is equal to defending the Flames is really silly. As is the notion that someone who stop spending money on the Flames if the ownership was lying about when management contracts were signed. Everyone is entitled to do whatever they want with their money but using this as some moral excuse or whatever seems odd to me personally.

I’ll say you’re right on all points here.

For me, I’ve lost some confidence. Let’s hope their actions over the next 6-7 months help clean off the pile of dog sh_t they stepped in here. Needlessly, I’ll add.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I don't think anyone is defending the way the Flames have managed the message or their PR these days. It's a mess.

I just think to some this is pretty small stuff compared to more important things like team budling, asset management and drafting.

But if others want to be mad about it ... go for it.

It does seem like some are minimizing it to the point it comes across as defense. The organization has had some terrible messaging in a critical time when their product is as bad as it has been in over a decade. PR matters in a time like this so it is very understandable the backlash it has caused.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I don't think anyone is defending the way the Flames have managed the message or their PR these days. It's a mess.

I just think to some this is pretty small stuff compared to more important things like team budling, asset management and drafting.

But if others want to be mad about it ... go for it.

The Flames haven't really earned the benefit of the doubt.

Watching Maloney use the term rebuild and was so shook by that he blurted out ‘rebiggle’ is, objectively, hilarious. Wasn’t long ago John Bean said ‘we’re not allowed to say rebuild’.

What nonsense. What are they scared of?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

The Flames haven't really earned the benefit of the doubt.

Watching Maloney use the term rebuild and was so shook by that he blurted out ‘rebiggle’ is, objectively, hilarious. Wasn’t long ago John Bean said ‘we’re not allowed to say rebuild’.

What nonsense. What are they scared of?

I would guess it would be the massive loss of ticket sales that comes from that. That would be my guess. I am actually impressed that they are rebuilding regardless of the fact that they know it will cost them a lot of money.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I would guess it would be the massive loss of ticket sales that comes from that. That would be my guess. I am actually impressed that they are rebuilding regardless of the fact that they know it will cost them a lot of money.

I’m no economist but Edwards bought into the Flames in ‘94 if I’m not mistaken. I’d bet that was in the 10’s of millions. The value of the Glames today is 1.65 billion according to Forbes. It will jump in 2027 century move into the new arena as well.

I’ll admit I don’t know what I don’t know about the day to day operations and ownership but I can’t believe they are as terrified of rebuilding as they appear to be. City’s closing in on 2 million with no other serious threat when it comes to pro sports.

[Strange Brew]

A massive loss of ticket sales from saying the word rebuild? I doubt that.

They really need some help on their messaging and telling fans what there is to be excited about.