[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames, Devils reignite Markstrom trade talks (again); other teams interested

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Great, then it’s an overpay to grab the pick because other teams are also trying to acquire it.

Not sure the Flames need to give away Markstrom and Mangiapane to get that pick. Allen also has almost no value too. Just taking on those two salaries should be worth the 10th overall pick. There are far better uses of 6 million dollars worth of cap space in each of the next 3 years than that.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Not sure the Flames need to give away Markstrom and Mangiapane to get that pick. Allen also has almost no value too. Just taking on those two salaries should be worth the 10th overall pick. There are far better uses of 6 million dollars worth of cap space in each of the next 3 years than that.

So you’d rather lose the trade to someone else? Give the Devils a reason to give up a potential cornerstone pick. They don’t HAVE to give up the pick but will if it makes sense. This is to get Markstrom traded without retention. If we do retain, then obviously we shouldn’t take Palat.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

So you’d rather lose the trade to someone else? Give the Devils a reason to give up a potential cornerstone pick. They don’t HAVE to give up the pick but will if it makes sense. This is to get Markstrom traded without retention. If we do retain, then obviously we shouldn’t take Palat.

I would not retain 20 million in salary if I was the Flames. You immediately hang up the phone if Palat is mentioned.

[Flamesfan05]

Just do the damn deal

Two top 10 picks in this draft can really speed up the process

[FranksandBean]

I have been wondering with all the rumours and the play of bob in game one if this increases Markstrom’s value or NJ want/need to trade for him. Puckpedia has 50% retention worth a 28th overall pick and 10th worth slightly more than two 28th overall picks. I see two trade templates both teams could look at; Markstrom @100% or Markstrom @50%.

CGY;
10OA

NJD;
Markstrom
28OA

or

CGY;
10OA

NJD;
Markstrom @50%

If New Jersey wants/need to include Allen I would want something back for him as I don't need or want him but at that point we would need to add as he is a not negative or zero value player. At the point of them adding I would look at Bahl since we need Dmen and have too many wingers forwards.

Since NJ paid a late 2nd early 3rd in 2025 that is what they see his value at and if we WANT to get a deal done we HAVE to respect that whether or not we see his value there, that leaves what Bahl is worth. Which of our prospects/picks will get a deal over the line?

I have seen in this thread people mentioning Pospisil as NJ wants to get tougher to play against. While I think NJ would be happy with that I think his value to our team is higher than getting this trade done so we would offer something different. Who's value is close or equivalent to Pospisil's (Coronato, Honzek, Pelletier, Klapka, Stromgren)? As far as I see it Pelletier or Klapka are the two who are NHL ready and fit the bill as what NJ wants (even if the don't play exactly like Pospisil), so do you want 4th liner or a top 9LW? Since we are getting a DD we could give them one (Solovyov or Kuznetsov) because Allen still has value to them.

CGY;
Allen
Bahl

NJD;
Pelletier/Klapka
Solovyov/Kuznetsov

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I would not retain 20 million in salary if I was the Flames. You immediately hang up the phone if Palat is mentioned.

No, I do not immediately hang up the phone when a top 10 pick is in play, no matter the year.

[mrdonkey]

Why on earth is the 10OA pick even being discussed? It has literally never happened in any package for a player like Markstrom. It's completely out of the realm of reality unless Treliving is their GM.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Why on earth is the 10OA pick even being discussed? It has literally never happened in any package for a player like Markstrom. It's completely out of the realm of reality unless Treliving is their GM.

Ask the media people and league insiders who are actually discussing the #10 pick. Or better yet, don't, since you're obviously so much smarter than everyone in the actual business.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Why on earth is the 10OA pick even being discussed? It has literally never happened in any package for a player like Markstrom. It's completely out of the realm of reality unless Treliving is their GM.

Wow, are you ever a wet blanket. If hockey and specifically the Flames bring you so little joy, why the hell are you so invested in discussing them and bringing your misery in here onto everyone else?

[FranksandBean]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Why on earth is the 10OA pick even being discussed? It has literally never happened in any package for a player like Markstrom. It's completely out of the realm of reality unless Treliving is their GM.

Because we have an asset they want, one we don’t need to move, and their GM has stated he is willing to move it for an upgrade…

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by FranksandBean

Because we have an asset they want, one we don’t need to move, and their GM has stated he is willing to move it for an upgrade…

Here's what he actually said

Originally Posted by GM Tom Fitzgerald

Listen, I’m open to moving No. 10, but it’s going to have to be something (significant).

It remains to be seen if a guy like Markstrom is something significant for the Devils. Maybe he has an eye for trading for Necas, or Swayman. Maybe it's another young player that will get a bigger chance with the Devils.

IMO, mrdonkey has a point.
We moved a 2nd for Eliott, he came off a .930 sv% regular season and a .921sv% in 18 playoff games that year. He had .917, and .922 sv% in the 2 years prior.

We didn't move a 1st for Bishop(.926sv% regular season, and .939sv% playoffs), when Tampa was asking for it. He later went to LAK for a package around Cernak( he was a mid 2nd rounder drafted 2 years before).

The 9th overall went for a 28 year old Schneider signed at 4M for 2 more years. At the time he was outperforming Lou in VAN. He also had 2 seasons posting .927, and .937 sv%.

I think it would be hard to sell the Devils' fanbase on moving that pick for an older goalie.

[Badgers Nose]

If Fitz doesn’t pay the price for a goalie this off season and NJD are still languishing due to below average goaltending come Dec then my bold prediction is he will be the first GM fired this coming season. NJD expects playoff revenue from that team.

Hopefully Fitz feels the same way and doesn’t waste another year of their window.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

If Fitz doesn’t pay the price for a goalie this off season and NJD are still languishing due to below average goaltending come Dec then my bold prediction is he will be the first GM fired this coming season. NJD expects playoff revenue from that team.

Hopefully Fitz feels the same way and doesn’t waste another year of their window.

The funny thing is Fitz went out of his way to waste an asset on Allen. And now with more teams looking for goaltending he might have to give up more for another goalie this off-season which he might not have had to before the TDL.

It feels like a Treliving move. Don't pay the price for someone who can make a difference, and spend an asset for someone to try and be a stop-gap.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Why on earth is the 10OA pick even being discussed? It has literally never happened in any package for a player like Markstrom. It's completely out of the realm of reality unless Treliving is their GM.

The Devils traded 9OA for Cory Schneider. Schneider had 2 years at $4M left on his contract.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The Devils traded 9OA for Cory Schneider. Schneider had 2 years at $4M left on his contract.

And they still talk about it being one of their worst trades in history.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

And they still talk about it being one of their worst trades in history.

No they don’t. I can find you an article from 4 years in saying the trade favoured NJD because Schneider played very well his first few years, but was evening out because Horvat was starting to be good.

It’s never on a “worst trades” list.

https://thehockeywriters.com/revisit...-horvat-trade/

And but for injuries to Schneider, it would have been a lot more even of a trade no matter what.

EDIT: the article was only 3 years in. 4 years was when the wheels started to fall off for Schneider.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

And they still talk about it being one of their worst trades in history.

They do? Schneider was good for the Devils. Played over 6 seasons with him. Between 40-60 games. I think the trade was fair for both teams. Maybe slight edge to the Canucks but a very even deal IMO

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No they don’t. I can find you an article from 4 years in saying the trade favoured NJD because Schneider played very well his first few years, but was evening out because Horvat was starting to be good.

It’s never on a “worst trades” list.

https://thehockeywriters.com/revisit...-horvat-trade/

And but for injuries to Schneider, it would have been a lot more even of a trade no matter what.

Originally Posted by albertGQ

They do? Schneider was good for the Devils. Played over 6 seasons with him. Between 40-60 games. I think the trade was fair for both teams. Maybe slight edge to the Canucks but a very even deal IMO

Ok, my bad guys. For some reason I remembered wrong.


Edit: Actually it's #19 on 20 worst trades in their history on this list, but I still admit that I was wrong.


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[Toonage]

I don't think it matters who was traded for what 11 years ago, or if a similar deal has ever occurred. All that matters is what 10 OA means to the Devils and what pressure is on them to win now and get that piece they feel completes their team.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I don't think it matters who was traded for what 11 years ago, or if a similar deal has ever occurred. All that matters is what 10 OA means to the Devils and what pressure is on them to win now and get that piece they feel completes their team.

That’s undoubtedly correct. I was just showing that it’s wrong to say it’s never been done, so let’s just dismiss the idea (and the reporting).

The Devils have to feel like they are inches away from being a very competitive team. Than those inches are mostly in net.