[Rumour] Friedman: Devils and Flames have had legit discussions about Markstrom

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Devils might now even have a 2024 1st round pick either which further complicates trading with them. Any of their picks would have to extend into 2025 presumably. They really should be pushing all in now that they traded two firsts (potentially 3 firsts) two former seconds (and another second if they don’t make the eastern conference finals this year, that pick is either a 2024 1st or 2nd) for Timo Meier.

Kinda crazy to me given their depth up front that they blew their brains out for Meier and left goaltending the way it is.

That trade was bad enough, then they compounded the problem with a max term extension.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I bet the deal doesn't happen this season, but they come back during the summer and get it done there.
This is more about NJD addressing their long-term tender issues. This season may already be a loss for them.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I bet the deal doesn't happen this season, but they come back during the summer and get it done there.
This is more about NJD addressing their long-term tender issues. This season may already be a loss for them.

I was thinking that. They could almost handshake on an offseason deal, and by then the draft order will be firmed up.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Still think NJD will work towards a deadline deal with Markstrom. A bit of a longshot to make it this year, but this would be for 3 playoff runs, if done this year. If they think goaltending is the weak link (it is) and they have depth in other areas to trade (they might consider Holtz with good forward depth), it can still make sense now.

[Toonage]

Unless the Devils completely drop out of it I could see the deal coming together this season as well. Maybe sooner than we think. If they had Markstrom for the past few weeks they'd be in a much better spot and even now likely think he'd improve their chances greatly, even for a run just to make it in.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

It would be a hockey deal for Markstrom to fill a longer term need. Not a rental. I get that those would be easier in the off season, but I also think they likely think they have a team that could go on a run with someone like Markstrom. Gotta give to get scenario.

[dammage79]

I too think a Markstrom trade can happen at the deadline. Sure the talk broke down but if they're are serious as Friedman made the discussion sound, things always circle back.

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I too think a Markstrom trade can happen at the deadline. Sure the talk broke down but if they're are serious as Friedman made the discussion sound, things always circle back.

If it's going to be the Devils, they'll need it to happen well before the deadline. Vanecek is now hurt and this week's stretch of games is the most crucial of the season.

[BrownDrake]

I wouldn't have thought salary retention would be thing with a Markstrom trade to NJ. Likely taking a warm body back and don't they have +/-$1.7 million in cap space? After game 56 or 57 I believe he fits in correct?



I think with Markstroms history and current play there is no question hes more than likely a top 10 or 12 goaltender in the league, $6 million per is a decent deal now looking at some recent signings isn't it?

[Monahammer]

Markstrom does have serious control over a trade and a young family. I want an NJ deal too, but IMO that type of move is exactly what Markstrom doesn't want in season. Other side of the continent from his young family for the rest of the year (or a few months at least!)

[Monahammer]

The sell for an in season move for Marky is proximity or serious, serious contender IMO. I could still see Colorado.

[FlamesAddiction]

It all gets down to what the return would be, obviously.

So far, all the subtractions have not seemed to kill the fun or positivity in the room. If anything, the mood has seemed to improve. Of course, we are still very likely going to see Tanev and Hanifin leave via trades. It's hard to say how that will affect the room, but there will likely be some negativity when that happens, because they are such big parts to the team.

If Markstrom can be the glue that other players can rally behind, then I think we should keep him at least for this season. I know there is a desire for some to just bottom out completely and get as high of a draft pick as possible, but that is also a huge funk to dig out of. You want to keep things positive while all these changes are going on and give the players some hope and reason to compete hard.

[AustinL_NHL]

Can't see the Flames asking price changing too much in the summer (only difference is half a season of salary retention), and would make little-to-no sense for a team like the Devils to give up on this season just to wait until the summer to basically pay the same price vs paying it now and having Markstrom for a full playoff run (2 vs 3 playoff runs).

Would make more sense for a team like the Avs who would love Markstrom but still have the talent to potentially win it all despite a mediocre goalie.

Guessing/hoping somebody pays up for him before the deadline. Get it done Conny

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I bet the deal doesn't happen this season, but they come back during the summer and get it done there.
This is more about NJD addressing their long-term tender issues. This season may already be a loss for them.

One thing to keep in mind is these teams are run by relentless business owners. Sometimes if ownership is ruthless and pushes the objectives down (in this case to be a cup contender) management may have to find a way to do it. I was originally thinking this offseason makes sense but if the devils think they have all else and that’s the missing piece, I could see ownership making the push to get a sense of that sweet playoff revenue, plus to see if they have something else missing.

Another point to consider is game theory. Now that it’s out there in the open he can be had, NJ has to have more pressure in case someone like the Leafs or Avs come to the fold and take him. Then those offseason plans are to go back to the board and take option B.

Anyway, I think both sides are playing chicken. It’s best to get it done before the deadline for both sides. New Jersey for the above reasons. Calgary because they get a better draft position this year.

[Bingo]

If the deal was close I can't imagine one side or the other not moving and reengaging in talks.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Can't see the Flames asking price changing too much in the summer (only difference is half a season of salary retention), and would make little-to-no sense for a team like the Devils to give up on this season just to wait until the summer to basically pay the same price vs paying it now and having Markstrom for a full playoff run (2 vs 3 playoff runs).

The big difference is that retention might not be required at all (or might be a smaller amount).

The trouble with trading Markstrom this season is that most teams would need the Flames to retain salary on this year's cap. But if you trade a player with time remaining on his contract, the retention has to be the same percentage for every year of the deal.

So maybe the Devils can only add Markstrom this year if the Flames retain $2 million, but then the Flames have to retain $2 million next year and the year after. But next year, with the cap going up, they could add Markstrom with the Flames only retaining $1 million. That could make a big difference in the asking price.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by bluejays

One thing to keep in mind is these teams are run by relentless business owners. Sometimes if ownership is ruthless and pushes the objectives down (in this case to be a cup contender) management may have to find a way to do it. I was originally thinking this offseason makes sense but if the devils think they have all else and that’s the missing piece, I could see ownership making the push to get a sense of that sweet playoff revenue, plus to see if they have something else missing.

Another point to consider is game theory. Now that it’s out there in the open he can be had, NJ has to have more pressure in case someone like the Leafs or Avs come to the fold and take him. Then those offseason plans are to go back to the board and take option B.

Anyway, I think both sides are playing chicken. It’s best to get it done before the deadline for both sides. New Jersey for the above reasons. Calgary because they get a better draft position this year.

i think a team would need to be in a "win now" mode like Vancouver and think they have really high chances to be a real contender make a big pitch for Markstrom. I don't think the Devils are in that category. Judging by their fanbase reactions online, many already feel this season is lost after losing Hughes for awhile. They do recognize goaltending is their weakspot.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The big difference is that retention might not be required at all (or might be a smaller amount).

The trouble with trading Markstrom this season is that most teams would need the Flames to retain salary on this year's cap. But if you trade a player with time remaining on his contract, the retention has to be the same percentage for every year of the deal.

So maybe the Devils can only add Markstrom this year if the Flames retain $2 million, but then the Flames have to retain $2 million next year and the year after. But next year, with the cap going up, they could add Markstrom with the Flames only retaining $1 million. That could make a big difference in the asking price.

100% a fair point!

Guess I was just going off the assumption that a Markstrom deal will include retention no matter what haha

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Guess I was just going off the assumption that a Markstrom deal will include retention no matter what haha

It's an easy assumption to make, after all these years of a flat cap.

The fact that the cap is actually rising again takes some getting used to.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

i think a team would need to be in a "win now" mode like Vancouver and think they have really high chances to be a real contender make a big pitch for Markstrom. I don't think the Devils are in that category. Judging by their fanbase reactions online, many already feel this season is lost after losing Hughes for awhile. They do recognize goaltending is their weakspot.

Yeah. I just don’t see what holding off to the offseason accomplishes. From Markstroms perspective it makes sense as he can move his household but from the team the risks are high another team moves in, and they miss out on potential playoff revenue. If the cost is the same in the offseason why not get it done now to reap the benefits?