[Rumour] Babcock...doing Babcock things? Babcock resigns

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Yeah, good points. I was kinda think of it as in a person doing it purposefully while knowing it was offside... But absolutely there are people who suffer from ASD and just aren't aware of these things.

(not directed at anyone specific, just a genral point: for the record, I was suggesting the malicious actors be fired off into space - not ASD sufferers)

Total tangent and I know your intent is pure, but I'll just point at that ASD isn't really something anybody 'suffers' with. The main thing autistic people suffer with is dealing with neurotypicals who can't fathom why not everyone isn't wired to conform to 'social norms' in the same way as them.

Obviously there is a whole lot more to unpack there, but it's a bit mindblowing when you start to reframe your perspective on these things

[neo45]

I don’t see Babcock having anything BUT bad intentions asking to see his players phones.

Guys a psycho. This was definitely a “I am watching you” type of power move. And now I think the PA is returning the favor to him and the Blue Jackets with the investigation. Tread lightly because things have changed and you are on a short leash.

[PepsiFree]

If I had to guess between Babcock, based on a history of malicious actions against multiple players on multiple teams over many years, doing something that seems strange (at very least) out of malice...

or Babcock, based on some vague stories of being socially awkward, doing something that seems strange (at very least) because of undiagnosed/undeclared ASD which conveniently has had no real impact on any part of his career outside of "treats players mean"...

I don't know, I'm going former.

I don't even know if it's fair to other people to say "Oh yeah, Babcock is an ####### nobody likes because he's on the spectrum."

[KelVarnsen]

Saying someone suffers from ASD is honestly kind of insulting.

And Babcock is an #######.

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Asking someone to hand over your phone to review pictures (as opposed to a person just asking to see pictures) is awkward and weird. A boss asking to hand over your phone is borderline psychotic. A step beyond acceptable behaviour and a breach of privacy. I don't know if that should be a fireable offence, but it is more than just awkward and weird.

Maybe I misunderstand what Boone Jenner said, I read the context as they were talking about his upcoming wedding and family, then Jenner shared with him pics on his phone and Babcock showed Jenner who his family was.

If that was the case, why would anyone be upset about showing his family pics?

And didn't Gaudreau say the same thing?

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Bubba17

Maybe I misunderstand what Boone Jenner said, I read the context as they were talking about his upcoming wedding and family, then Jenner shared with him pics on his phone and Babcock showed Jenner who his family was.

If that was the case, why would anyone be upset about showing his family pics?

And didn't Gaudreau say the same thing?

If all that happened is they shared pictures on their phones, there would not be much of a discussion. The allegation is that it was more than that. Enough for the NHLPA to look into it.

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

If all that happened is they shared pictures on their phones, there would not be much of a discussion. The allegation is that it was more than that. Enough for the NHLPA to look into it.

I understand what you are saying but the only response we have heard from players who actually had the discussion were Jenner and Johnny, and both said it was nothing. IF other guys want to put their names to the complaint then I am all for hanging him out to dry, if all they have is "some guys" said things to Biznasty then I will wait until I hear from someone who was in the room with Babcock.

[AC]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1702540278479859900

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by AC

https://twitter.com/user/status/1702540278479859900

Can we dislike both parties? Because they make it pretty easy.

[Spurs]

Why are people framing it as though people want to believe Babcock or give him the benefit of the doubt?

I am not on twitter so maybe that is happening there but from what I have seen most of the stuff being labeled as "defending Babcock" has to do with the reports from Gaudreau, Werenski and Jenner saying that what happened wasn't what is being reported in the media.

That doesn't mean that some younger (or older as well) players might not have felt differently but so far all the actual evidence backs one version of events and the Bissonette/Spittlin Chiclets side is nothing but empty accusations and paired with some dumb and offensive remarks.

I have no problem believing that Babcock could have done something wrong but I also don't think it is wrong to say that we should have more than Biz Nasty saying he has contact from "players" that are true, especially when the supposed player backer says to shove it up your ass when Jenner, a player, comes out with a different version. I guess Biz Nasty is only a player defender when that player tows his line.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Why are people framing it as though people want to believe Babcock or give him the benefit of the doubt?

I am not on twitter so maybe that is happening there but from what I have seen most of the stuff being labeled as "defending Babcock" has to do with the reports from Gaudreau, Werenski and Jenner saying that what happened wasn't what is being reported in the media.

That doesn't mean that some younger (or older as well) players might not have felt differently but so far all the actual evidence backs one version of events and the Bissonette/Spittlin Chiclets side is nothing but empty accusations and paired with some dumb and offensive remarks.

I have no problem believing that Babcock could have done something wrong but I also don't think it is wrong to say that we should have more than Biz Nasty saying he has contact from "players" that are true, especially when the supposed player backer says to shove it up your ass when Jenner, a player, comes out with a different version. I guess Biz Nasty is only a player defender when that player tows his line.

This isn’t remotely close to a true representation of what his comment was directed at.

Why lie? Lying and misrepresenting PB’s comments are absolutely the reasons why people think some just want to defend Babcock.

And what is “the actual evidence”? The words of some guys over the words of others? That’s not how this works.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

This isn’t remotely close to a true representation of what his comment was directed at.

Why lie? Lying and misrepresenting PB’s comments are absolutely the reasons why people think some just want to defend Babcock.

And what is “the actual evidence”? The words of some guys over the words of others? That’s not how this works.

I didn't lie he said the club can take the statement and shove it up Babcock's ass. Jenner made his comments in that statement.

The actual evidence is Jenner, Werenski, Gaudreau making statements. Nobody has yet come out with anything on the other side. It doesn't mean it doesn't exist but we have seen nothing so far to make any comments on.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by AC

https://twitter.com/user/status/1702540278479859900

This tweet puts it in perspective.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1702542441595773423

It's very different for a Gaudreau who's now a family man to show family photos versus say a Kent Johnson. What may be ok for one player may not be ok for another player.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Firebot

This tweet puts it in perspective.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1702542441595773423

It's very different for a Gaudreau who's now a family man to show family photos versus say a Kent Johnson. What may be ok for one player may not be ok for another player.

Young players are orphans?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I didn't lie he said the club can take the statement and shove it up Babcock's ass. Jenner made his comments in that statement.

The actual evidence is Jenner, Werenski, Gaudreau making statements. Nobody has yet come out with anything on the other side. It doesn't mean it doesn't exist but we have seen nothing so far to make any comments on.

The NHLPA is investigating specifically because they received information of young players who were uncomfortable.

Media statements are not evidence.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The NHLPA is investigating specifically because they received information of young players who were uncomfortable.

Media statements are not evidence.

And when the results of that investigation come out we can make judgement te based on that. The investigation with no details proves nothing.

And players stating they did not feel bad about what happened is 100% evidence of how they felt about what Babcock did. Them saying that the reports of what happened aren’t true certainly puts into to question about what did or didn’t happen.

[topfiverecords]

I suggest everyone go check out the leaked footage on Twitter. Appears to me that Babcock was the one who was most uncomfortable. Not sure who the player in the video is but he has some funny pics.

Super NSFW by the way.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Spurs

And when the results of that investigation come out we can make judgement te based on that. The investigation with no details proves nothing.

And players stating they did not feel bad about what happened is 100% evidence of how they felt about what Babcock did. Them saying that the reports of what happened aren’t true certainly puts into to question about what did or didn’t happen.

If we’re reserving judgement until the investigation is done, why are you already judging the podcast guys? You had no issue calling them empty accusations or saying PB only defends guys that “tow” his line, which is complete nonsense. Just because you haven’t seen the evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, and judging the SC guys while falling over yourself to avoid judging Babcock looks silly.

And again, media statements aren’t evidence of anything. You can say they are, but they aren’t. Players from the Blackhawks made the same kind of statements.

I didn’t think it was a secret that PR isn’t some exercise in honesty. Those media statements could be 100% honest, they could also be 100% designed to avoid rocking the boat at all costs, or players who don’t want anything to do with another Babcock story.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If we’re reserving judgement until the investigation is done, why are you already judging the podcast guys? You had no issue calling them empty accusations or saying PB only defends guys that “tow” his line, which is complete nonsense. Just because you haven’t seen the evidence doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, and judging the SC guys while falling over yourself to avoid judging Babcock looks silly.

And again, media statements aren’t evidence of anything. You can say they are, but they aren’t. Players from the Blackhawks made the same kind of statements.

I didn’t think it was a secret that PR isn’t some exercise in honesty. Those media statements could be 100% honest, they could also be 100% designed to avoid rocking the boat at all costs, or players who don’t want anything to do with another Babcock story.

I am judging Biz Nasty on the comments he made. I have never once said that what they said didn't happen, I have said there is no proof at this point that it did happen and I will wait until that comes out before believing them blindly. I also said the way they have handled it is poor and the shove it up your ass comment shows that to me.

Unless you are claiming that Gaudreau, Jenner and Werenski are all lying, with no benefit and a ton to lose if they are, then yes their statement are proof of how they felt in their interactions with Babcock.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No one is taking the trolls bait no matter how hard they try.

It's bizarre behaviour to jump into defend bully coaches and go after players even after they are exposed for the garbage they pull. It's like clockwork.