“We're proud of who we are, we are proud of the community that we work and live in and the people that work here and play here are tremendously proud to be living here, working for and playing for the organization."
If Conroy can take these guys and turn them into at least one good young centre and one good young defenceman (whether acquiring a player and a top 15 pick, or two picks, or two players, etc) then everything else is gravy and I honestly think this would be a faster turnaround than people think. We have a great young goaltender, we have some guys in their prime that are great at what they do, and we have a fresh coaching staff with a better outlook.
I’m not saying rush it, but just by selling the guys listed in this thread along with maybe one or two others I think that could make for an extremely promising retool.
Building like the Oilers isn’t in our cards. We gotta build like an expansion team.
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I know that people still want to think well of Treliving and offer up other excuses, but the results matter. This team was only ever a bubble team under his tenure. Bringing back the same players would probably have resulted in the same Jekyll and Hyde team of great regular season followed by poor regular season, but always with a disappointing playoffs. He is gone. The players are leaving too.
I think there will be a bit of a stink for a little while, but it will quickly be followed by some much needed fresh air. This organization will improve.
The last rebuild was going well for a little while. Things were looking fantastic. I also remember how Button had both Gaudreau and Kucherov on his 'side list', but just ended up miss-timing it. With the 'pizzazz' that Calgary was showing, Panarin also had this team in his 'final four' that he was deciding about. It is not hard to imagine that if Button had also managed to snag Kucherov, that Panarin would have probably picked Calgary. That would have been one hell of a team. Just one miss-timed decision, and then it was followed-up with some overly-aggressive moves in acquiring pieces that didn't fit, and perhaps being overly cautious on salaries to existing players forcing moves like bridge deals.
You live and you learn. Conroy was in the shadows every step of the way. He may have had a different opinion on how to proceed, or maybe he didn't - but he was present for those decisions and I do think that he has learned from Treliving's mistakes. I was actually really glad that Conroy was promoted just because of that continuity. Last thing this team needed was a 'fresh set of eyes' who would go on to repeat the same mistakes.
This sure seems like Conroy coming in, making sure that this organization doesn't bleed any further assets away, and just gets its crap together. He seems to believe more in building a team through the draft and having more youth on the team. I don't think that players are necessarily bailing because they want out of Calgary, but that they are probably being advised by their agents to not sign until next off-season when the cap is bigger. Backlund is at the age where winning is everything, which I think is why we saw his trade request, then a rescinded trade request after the Tkachuk deal, and now a preference to move on since this is looking more and more likely to go in the direction of a retool at minimum, probably a complete rebuild.
I love this direction. I do believe that this is going to be one heck of an exciting draft, and an exciting off-season as a whole. The new building is coming. Before it is up, this team will be rejuvenated. There will be some misses on some picks, but there will also be some good 'hits' as well, and hopefully Conroy has learned from Treliving's mistakes and will figure out a better way to build a team, and make Calgary a team that players want to play for again.
If you are a winning organization that treats its' players well, then you become a destination that players want to be in. Nobody is racing to play in Anaeheim or San Jose any longer, but when those organizations improve again, they will again. Calgary may never be the premier destination, but it can be a destination again if Conroy does a good job.
Things have gotten really stale here this past year. I really do believe this was the best direction for the Flames to take.
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If Conroy can take these guys and turn them into at least one good young centre and one good young defenceman (whether acquiring a player and a top 15 pick, or two picks, or two players, etc) then everything else is gravy and I honestly think this would be a faster turnaround than people think. We have a great young goaltender, we have some guys in their prime that are great at what they do, and we have a fresh coaching staff with a better outlook.
I’m not saying rush it, but just by selling the guys listed in this thread along with maybe one or two others I think that could make for an extremely promising retool.
Building like the Oilers isn’t in our cards. We gotta build like an expansion team.
Like walking out of this draft with Danielson, honzek and heidt?
So you think a guy that multiple sources said hated Sutter and kept saying FU to was a Sutter guy?
Lol. Fair enough. I was way off in Backlund and Sutter. Still seems odd that two weeks ago Backlund was talking about being captain. Now he suddenly doesn't want anything to do with the team. Doesn't seem like something someone who definitely wanted out would do.
Once again, my guess is Backlund said give me a retirement contract and the captaincy. The team said no. Here's three years and no captaincy. Backlund says I'll test the waters.
Not sure this is going to turn out well. I get nervous when a Flames GM is forced into a trade - he’s forced into two, perhaps four traded already. These are all good players on down years in a time where cap is very tight and everyone knows he’s got to make a deal. Those are not ideal negotiating circumstances.
Also I think that Conroy’s regime is already ridiculously more leaky than Treliving. I think there have been more leaks in the last few weeks than the past 5 years.
Lol. Fair enough. I was way off in Backlund and Sutter. Still seems odd that two weeks ago Backlund was talking about being captain. Now he suddenly doesn't want anything to do with the team. Doesn't seem like something someone who definitely wanted out would do.
Once again, my guess is Backlund said give me a retirement contract and the captaincy. The team said no. Here's three years and no captaincy. Backlund says I'll test the waters.
I think Backlund simply wants a shot at winning and then heard every UFA is bolting.
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Forgive me ignorance here, but what da hell???
Trelivings gone, Sutters gone, Conroy in, Huska in.
Why all of a sudden do these players want to bail? The regime has changed and they got what they wanted, yet they all want to head out.
I'm sorry but I dont get it.
I'm not saying I am sad to see them go but I thought a wholesale change is what they wanted. So it begs me to ask the question....why?
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Lol. Fair enough. I was way off in Backlund and Sutter. Still seems odd that two weeks ago Backlund was talking about being captain. Now he suddenly doesn't want anything to do with the team. Doesn't seem like something someone who definitely wanted out would do.
Once again, my guess is Backlund said give me a retirement contract and the captaincy. The team said no. Here's three years and no captaincy. Backlund says I'll test the waters.
Pretty sure Backlund was one of the players that felt Sutter was part of the problem. But also that the new players were part of the problem.
Either he doesn't care for the attitude new core. Or he doesn't think they're talented enough to win. Tbh, I don't think it matters which it is. And it's probably both.
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I'm sure it's been stated, but has there ever been a day like in Flames history? Even last year's drama falls short.
Other than Backlund I won't miss any of them. They are pros and this is a business, some of them are looking at their last or second last contracts and if they want to test the market, then fine. We got good value for what we paid them, and they will likely bring us a haul.
Gotta be dispassionate about their decisions and look forward to all the new faces inbound.
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Not sure this is going to turn out well. I get nervous when a Flames GM is forced into a trade - he’s forced into two, perhaps four traded already. These are all good players on down years in a time where cap is very tight and everyone knows he’s got to make a deal. Those are not ideal negotiating circumstances.
Also I think that Conroy’s regime is already ridiculously more leaky than Treliving. I think there have been more leaks in the last few weeks than the past 5 years.
I mean the only thing worse than walking the UFAs to free agency would be somehow trading them for older players locked into contracts which I might just give up on the team if that happens. Any assets are better than none and Lindholm, Hanifin, and Toffoli should get good returns. No idea where Backlund, Tanev, and Zadorov fall value wise.
Don’t understand why anyone would want any player who doesn’t want to be part of the Calgary Flames long term… say goodbye and don’t let the door hit you on the way out!
Seriously… bye bye!
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Not sure this is going to turn out well. I get nervous when a Flames GM is forced into a trade - he’s forced into two, perhaps four traded already. These are all good players on down years in a time where cap is very tight and everyone knows he’s got to make a deal. Those are not ideal negotiating circumstances.
Also I think that Conroy’s regime is already ridiculously more leaky than Treliving. I think there have been more leaks in the last few weeks than the past 5 years.
'Conroy' and 'tight-lipped' simply do not go together.
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Don’t acquiesce Craig. It’s 1sts or busts, these are quality players on cap friendly contracts and yes, they may be UFA but just about all of them are worth 1sts. 31 other teams. People will bite, be patient. Lindholm especially is the type of piece that moves a playoff team into legit Cup contender. That’s a 1st, easily.
Wonder what Murray Edwards thinks about all of this. I get that he’s not a popular figure but he made a tough decision to fire Darryl even though I’m sure they have a close personal friendship and by all accounts he went over Tre’s head and made the hire. At the end of the day it’s a business and he chose to listen to his management team when they said multiple players wouldn’t come back if the coach was to stay. So now he’s paying 8 million for Darryl to sit at home and players still want out. Not that this is a huge issue in the grand scheme of things but he must be feeling pretty pissed off with how this is playing out. I guess this comes with the territory of managing a sports franchise but still interesting (at least to me).
Wonder what Murray Edwards thinks about all of this. I get that he’s not a popular figure but he made a tough decision to fire Darryl even though I’m sure they have a close personal friendship and by all accounts he went over Tre’s head and made the hire. At the end of the day it’s a business and he chose to listen to his management team when they said multiple players wouldn’t come back if the coach was to stay. So now he’s paying 8 million for Darryl to sit at home and players still want out. Not that this is a huge issue in the grand scheme of things but he must be feeling pretty pissed off with how this is playing out. I guess this comes with the territory of managing a sports franchise but still interesting (at least to me).
He can really only blame himself by forcing Sutter in as a coach rather than canning Tre.
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Wonder what Murray Edwards thinks about all of this. I get that he’s not a popular figure but he made a tough decision to fire Darryl even though I’m sure they have a close personal friendship and by all accounts he went over Tre’s head and made the hire. At the end of the day it’s a business and he chose to listen to his management team when they said multiple players wouldn’t come back if the coach was to stay. So now he’s paying 8 million for Darryl to sit at home and players still want out. Not that this is a huge issue in the grand scheme of things but he must be feeling pretty pissed off with how this is playing out. I guess this comes with the territory of managing a sports franchise but still interesting (at least to me).
Murray has the luxury of not giving a #### of CNRL people are happy or not but that doesn’t fly with NHL players. Basically.
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