[News] Treliving named Leafs GM

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Guy, he literally said he would move one of them like a week before he was fired on locker cleanout day.

He said he'd be willing if it made the team better.

That's not "somebody is getting moved" for 100% certain.

I think he was open to it but don't think it was something he was actively seeking out TBH.

Originally Posted by dino7c

True or not or how much of a factor IDK...but the quotes are more than enough to be "speculation"

its nearing smoking gun territory

guy says he is open to trading one of them, gets fired, guy who fired him says change for the sake of change is stupid, phones players and leaves them feeling they are safe (coles notes)

Smoking Gun seems a bit strong to me.

Shanahan pretty much said why he was fired, he went into way to much detail about why he was fired. Contract asks, and lack of commitment.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...ubas-marks-an/

I do think there was some conflict longer term between what Dubas and Shanahan's vision was for the team...I think what happened was the weird press conference and then Dubas contract ask opened the door for Shanahan to do what he wanted to do which was fire Dubas (and bring in Treliving since there was a rumor Shanahan wanted to do that going back to like October).

[dino7c]

As a Leaf hater I am 100% good with them bringing back the same team minus Bunting, ROR, whoever else

Their D is nowhere near good enough, they need to move one of those guys at least and upgrade the backend

I'm sure Gio will be back on a cheap deal but he looked pretty bad in the playoffs and isn't getting any younger

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

As a Leaf hater I am 100% good with them bringing back the same team minus Bunting, ROR, whoever else

Their D is nowhere near good enough, they need to move one of those guys at least and upgrade the backend

I'm sure Gio will be back on a cheap deal but he looked pretty bad in the playoffs and isn't getting any younger

Gio still has a year left at $800k.

I could honestly see something around Hanifin and Nylander.

Hanifin+Dube for Nylander + Liljegren ... who says no?

[Aarongavey]

Adam Pelech for two firsts amd two seconds is imminent for the Leafs

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Gio still has a year left at $800k.

I could honestly see something around Hanifin and Nylander.

Hanifin+Dube for Nylander + Liljegren ... who says no?

this would be a fair trade...so the Leafs wouldn't do it IMO

[flamingred89]

Perfect fit. A GM with a mediocre track record who saddled a team with terrible contracts going to a mediocre team with terrible contracts.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Gio still has a year left at $800k.

I could honestly see something around Hanifin and Nylander.

Hanifin+Dube for Nylander + Liljegren ... who says no?

my mistake

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by dino7c

As a Leaf hater I am 100% good with them bringing back the same team minus Bunting, ROR, whoever else

Their D is nowhere near good enough, they need to move one of those guys at least and upgrade the backend

I'm sure Gio will be back on a cheap deal but he looked pretty bad in the playoffs and isn't getting any younger

Gio looked pretty good until he got rocked with a huge hit late in the Tampa series. He never looked the same and struggled to keep up with the play after that hit.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by dino7c

So he has zero responsibility in these?

I don’t think he was allowed to trade Gaudreau the summer before his contract was up. Reports say Edwards wanted him to keep and sign Gaudreau. Treliving may be faulted for not being forceful enough about the risk of Gaudreau walking.

He made a huge offer to Gaudreau to keep him, and Gaudreau walked anyway at the last minute. Conroy gives the impression that the whole organization was shocked when that happened.

I don’t think Tkachuk ever planned on staying in Calgary long-term. And Treliving got the best deal available for him given his marching orders to remain a playoff team.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Gio looked pretty good until he got rocked with a huge hit late in the Tampa series. He never looked the same and struggled to keep up with the play after that hit.

the reality is his age, they can't count on him to be a major contributor on the defensive end. He still has some offensive flair but does that look like a championship D? not to me

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I don’t think he was allowed to trade Gaudreau the summer before his contract was up. Reports say Edwards wanted him to keep and sign Gaudreau. Treliving may be faulted for not being forceful enough about the risk of Gaudreau walking.

He made a huge offer to Gaudreau to keep him, and Gaudreau walked anyway at the last minute. Conroy gives the impression that the whole organization was shocked when that happened.

I don’t think Tkachuk ever planned on staying in Calgary long-term. And Treliving got the best deal available for him given his marching orders to remain a playoff team.

Tre did sign Tkachuk for 3 years to keep Frolik though

there are certainly reasons but does it not fall on the GM? again he can't have ZERO responsibilty.

Like if the Leafs fail does he get a pass because most of the roster is someone else's? And they have many cooks in the kitchen too...probably more

[Aarongavey]

Leafs have 9 million to sign 7 forwards and a dman. Barring any trades of their top guys, it will be pretty thin gruel for them filling out those positions. Maybe sign 4 guys over the summer and then offer a bunch of 28 year old NHL/AHL tweezers PTO’s with the intention of signing them to league minimum contracts and call it a day?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Gio still has a year left at $800k.

I could honestly see something around Hanifin and Nylander.

Hanifin+Dube for Nylander + Liljegren ... who says no?

I could see it as well. The Leafs aren't screwed yet IMO.

Murray buyout would save them about $4 mil on the cap.

14 guys and $13 mil cap to spend.

If they worked on a Hanifin for Nylander deal I would assume we should get the + back. Not sure I'd include Dube but maybe a Ruzicka? I'd also target the bruins 1st.

From the leafs perspective if they made a deal like that they would have 15 guys signed and about $14 mil cap. The Leafs could add another dman with that type of cap space. Like us though lots revolves around if players want to stay. I get Matthews will want $14 mil or so but he already makes almost $12. It's not like he's getting a $5 mil a year raise like Lindholm could get.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Tre did sign Tkachuk for 3 years to keep Frolik though

there are certainly reasons but does it not fall on the GM? again he can't have ZERO responsibilty.

Like if the Leafs fail does he get a pass because most of the roster is someone else's? And they have many cooks in the kitchen too...probably more

I think he signed Tkachuk for 3 years for cap flexibility to be honest, not necessarily just Frolik.

And then IMO he used that cap (and the Brodie/Hamonic expiry cap room) for pieces like Markstrom and Tanev.

And I still think that even if he signed Tkachuk for 6 years (which based on other RFAs that year was the more likely longer term deal), I think Tkachuk could have approached him last offseason and went "Trade me please" and maybe he has less value with 3 years left to UFA than he did on a 8 year sign and trade.

I still actually think the bridge for 3 years to have him remain an RFA at expiry while keeping the cap hit down was the right move. If Tkachuk wanted to stay in Calgary he'd be here for 8 more years and $10.5M now. He didn't and instead he was moved for other assets.

It's funny because there is one example of a trade where Dubas and Treliving negotiated directly...and that was Brodie+Jankowski for Kadri + Brown...and IMO if that trade happens then Treliving would have easily won that deal with Dubas.

And in the end right now I have to say I'm pretty happy with Conroy as our GM. Who knows how it will go but his personality is infectious and the mood around the team is the best it's been in a long time IMO.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think he signed Tkachuk for 3 years for cap flexibility to be honest, not necessarily just Frolik.

And then IMO he used that cap (and the Brodie/Hamonic expiry cap room) for pieces like Markstrom and Tanev.

And I still think that even if he signed Tkachuk for 6 years (which based on other RFAs that year was the more likely longer term deal), I think Tkachuk could have approached him last offseason and went "Trade me please" and maybe he has less value with 3 years left to UFA than he did on a 8 year sign and trade.

I still actually think the bridge for 3 years to have him remain an RFA at expiry while keeping the cap hit down was the right move. If Tkachuk wanted to stay in Calgary he'd be here for 8 more years and $10.5M now. He didn't and instead he was moved for other assets.

It's funny because there is one example of a trade where Dubas and Treliving negotiated directly...and that was Brodie+Jankowski for Kadri + Brown...and IMO if that trade happens then Treliving would have easily won that deal with Dubas.

And in the end right now I have to say I'm pretty happy with Conroy as our GM. Who knows how it will go but his personality is infectious and the mood around the team is the best it's been in a long time IMO.

Treliving values cap flexibility. That's why he signed guys to 6-year deals over 8 years and overpaid for Hamonic.

I also agree that the return on Tkachuk actually could have been worse if he had 3 years left at $9.5 mil vs Florida talking 8-year extension in a sign and trade deal.

I also think it is possible Tkachuk would have asked to be traded last year anyways.

I think there is a very good chance that Treliving targets the Flames in a trade and Hanifin could be the guys. Also think he might try and buy low on Markstrom. I'd be ok to make a move with the Leafs, just not sure I'd be a fan of signing Nylander long term either.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Adam Pelech for two firsts amd two seconds is imminent for the Leafs

I get the joke, but Adam Pelech is a great D-man. So much better than Hamonic.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Treliving values cap flexibility. That's why he signed guys to 6-year deals over 8 years and overpaid for Hamonic.

I also agree that the return on Tkachuk actually could have been worse if he had 3 years left at $9.5 mil vs Florida talking 8-year extension in a sign and trade deal.

I also think it is possible Tkachuk would have asked to be traded last year anyways.

I think there is a very good chance that Treliving targets the Flames in a trade and Hanifin could be the guys. Also think he might try and buy low on Markstrom. I'd be ok to make a move with the Leafs, just not sure I'd be a fan of signing Nylander long term either.

I've thought about that too...

Markstrom + 49 for Murray + 28

I'd do it. And really depends if Treliving thinks Markstrom is the Vezina candidate or the guy that cost him the season.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I've thought about that too...

Markstrom + 49 for Murray + 28

I'd do it.

I would too but would you buy out Murray or hope he goes on LTIR.

Run Vladar and Wolf out there too?

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I was a supporter of Tre while in Calgary and I think he is a good hire for TO. I think he will be an upgrade on Dubas.

Their biggest issues are goalie and D. Not sure I am totally convinced Samsanov is the guy, but he will be due a raise as an RFA with arb rights. I think this is where Tre does well. If they had any cap room (and if the Flames had any), a Markstrom/Nylander swap would be interesting.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I would too but would you buy out Murray or hope he goes on LTIR.

Run Vladar and Wolf out there too?

I'd be shocked if Toronto doesn't LTIR Murray. They need the cap space.