[Signing] Bruins sign Mitchell Miller UPDATE: Rescinded

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I mean, we as Canadians elected a guy who did some pretty disgusting things, one of the latest when he was like 30. Not apples to apples, I know. And I don’t want to turn this political, but we are talking about things done at 14 years old and things done at 30 years old. Quite a difference there.

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Neither are the jobs they were applying for. Don't you think the Prime Minister of a country should be held to a higher standard than a hockey player?

What the **** are you guys doing, seriously? Like, we have a player that was heavily rumoured to have shown no remorse for years of bullying a special needs student. Then when things are finally confirmed and the team backtracks we get "BUT TRUDEAAUUU!!!!" as a sudden topic change? Like laugh out ****ing loud, guys. Jesus.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by jayswin

What the **** are you guys doing, seriously? Like, we have a player that was heavily rumoured to have shown no remorse for years of bullying a special needs student. Then when things are finally confirmed and the team backtracks we get "BUT TRUDEAAUUU!!!!" as a sudden topic change? Like laugh out ****ing loud, guys. Jesus.

Same guys having an Ian Cole is innocent gathering. Disgusting behaviour tbh.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Drake

Hope the racist piece of ####/scumbag enjoys the KHL.

He'd probably be on the front line in Ukraine after ten games.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

With the additional information coming to light, I agree Miller shouldn't be in the NHL or anywhere near an NHL organization. The stories told by his agent and coaches don't check out. If they had, it would be another matter.

But a lot of you jumped to that conclusion from the start, without that information, and were saying things like ‘he belongs in prison’ or ‘one strike, you're out’. That attitude is toxic and ruins lives.

I should be amazed by the number of people that have been personally attacking me for saying it's wrong to rush to judgement, but I'm not. People who rush to judgement on one issue will tend to do the same on others.

What additional information? The same additional information the Bruins cited, which others pointed out wasn’t new information? Or the information from his agent which nobody but his agent had confirmed and had actually only been shared after you avoided “jumping” to conclusions?

Instead of still trying to make this about how, somehow, everybody else was actually wrong and you were actually right even in your wrongness, you could just accept that your bias put you in a place of defending a racist bully when you shouldn’t have been. Sometimes, when people come to a conclusion faster than you, it isn’t because they rushed, it’s because you moved too slowly. It happens. It might have happened here. But defaulting to you having the right approach even if you were wrong doesn’t make much sense.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

What additional information? The same additional information the Bruins cited, which others pointed out wasn’t new information? Or the information from his agent which nobody but his agent had confirmed and had actually only been shared after you avoided “jumping” to conclusions?

The additional information is that other credible sources disputed what the Bruins and his agent were saying, which was posted just upthread.

Instead of still trying to make this about how, somehow, everybody else was actually wrong and you were actually right even in your wrongness, you could just accept that your bias put you in a place of defending a racist bully when you shouldn’t have been.

I'll defend anyone against someone who says he should be punished for life over things he did as a child.

Sometimes, when people come to a conclusion faster than you, it isn’t because they rushed, it’s because you moved too slowly. It happens. It might have happened here. But defaulting to you having the right approach even if you were wrong doesn’t make much sense.

So ‘One strike, you're out’ is the correct way to go? He should be in prison, after all? People should be punished for life because Internet randos who have never met them think they're not apologetic enough?

I'll even defend you if anyone says you should lose your career for being a bully, and you're as big a bully as anyone I've met in 17 years on this forum. Sometimes the punishment is excessive for the crime. Some people don't appear to get that.

[GullFoss]

Can we have this thread locked?

[jayswin]

Why?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The additional information is that other credible sources disputed what the Bruins and his agent were saying, which was posted just upthread.



I'll defend anyone against someone who says he should be punished for life over things he did as a child.



So ‘One strike, you're out’ is the correct way to go? He should be in prison, after all? People should be punished for life because Internet randos who have never met them think they're not apologetic enough?

I'll even defend you if anyone says you should lose your career for being a bully, and you're as big a bully as anyone I've met in 17 years on this forum. Sometimes the punishment is excessive for the crime. Some people don't appear to get that.

What were they saying at the time you were defending him that “other credible sources” disputed today?

I’m not sure there’s a whole lot you get that other people don’t. Calling me a bully is fine, but you’re also the person who regularly excuses his poor behaviour as every conversation being a fight because you’ve been tainted by flame wars, or whatever. You’re old enough that you don’t need to play games like this, you can just admit you were wrong without trying to make sure everyone who was right feels wrong too. You’re only convincing yourself anyway.

[devo22]

they are citing "new information" because it sounds better than "we knew what he did, but hoped this would fly under the radar and we could get away with it". They deserve the PR backlash ... the other interested teams probably breathe a sigh of relief that the Bruins were the one who signed him.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Don't try and speak for me, you and your other cyber bully friends can go pound sand. The nerve of someone who constantly bullies other posters on a message board to mention personal accountability. What a joke.

You're so against perceived bullying but when it's right there out in the open, documented in course, and the word bullying is actually a soft word for it, you support it until the bitter end.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Can we have this thread locked?

Originally Posted by jayswin

Why?

Because, come on, if the Trudeau thing isn't clear evidence that the thread needs to die a very immediate death then nothing is. "But Trudeau" (or any reference to any political figure) in any non-politics thread is the most obvious shark jump possible.

[jammies]

We can call mentioning Trudeau in a completely unrelated thread "Yoho's Law". "Sorry, this thread isn't going anywhere now due to Yoho's Law."

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[cannon7]

I don't know Mitchell Miller. And to my knowledge, neither does anyone posting in this thread. I don't know what is in this young man's heart. But that changes nothing about my perspective. I will continue to believe in human potential, in a person's ability to change. I will continue to believe in second chances, even for those who have wronged me personally. Sadly that sentiment appears to be on life support around here. Instead this is now a political kludge. Now we know who the right wingers are....

Maybe I am wrong about Miller. I am not convinced of that yet, but we shall see. But I am not wrong about the idea that Miller can change. I have seen it personally with people who did much worse things as an adolescent. He appears to be getting some unbelievably bad advice and PR. He also seems to be making some poor choices. But so is the management of a prestigious NHL franchise.

The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

You're so against perceived bullying but when it's right there out in the open, documented in course, and the word bullying is actually a soft word for it, you support it until the bitter end.

No one in this thread has supported bullying. You are not advancing the discourse with this garbage.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Yet the source of this information is one person, and it isn't the magistrate. Why not reach out to the magistrate for a quote? Can't do that.

https://www.toledoblade.com/local/co...es/20160425166

“Mitchell, I’m not sure you still get it,” he said in the courtroom. “I don’t think you like being where you are. But I still don’t think you’ve put yourself in the shoes of not just the one victim but numerous victims. No one should come to school and feel humiliated or intimidated.

“If this is what you do in school, I wonder what you do outside of school. You’re supposed to be on your best behavior in school. So if this is an example of your best behavior, I wonder what your worst behavior is. I don’t have a sense of real remorse. But I do feel that you feel sorry for yourself.”

Everything was verified the last time this went around. What did you want the Athletic to do? See if the quote from 2016 that was discussed in 2020 still existed in 2022? So are you really mad that The Athletic didn't account for alternative timelines or are you just trying to defend a little ####?

[OldDutch]

I didn’t follow this story until I read it on CNN this morning. With a wealth of new information the way the article was written it sounded like a single incident around urnal candy and no mention of him being disabled. It was this thread that then connected me to the larger story.

Really shocked at how bad the reporting is on this. Its a good story on a remorseless bully and how years of bullying and lack of true remorse, and frankly greed made people lose integrity.

Guy did bare minimum and expected it to make the problem go away. Then worked with an agent to be misleading in spinning how he went above and beyond. I am all about second chances, but Fairly clear he is a toxic person. Good on the “cancel culture” for doing what the media and Bruins wouldn’t.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

https://www.toledoblade.com/local/co...es/20160425166


Everything was verified the last time this went around. What did you want the Athletic to do? See if the quote from 2016 that was discussed in 2020 still existed in 2022? So are you really mad that The Athletic didn't account for alternative timelines or are you just trying to defend a little ####?

Congrats. You found a quote I could not. And I am sure it took you some extensive searching, because I did the same thing. The Athletic could have included such a quote to further reinforce the claim, but that would be called journalism. It's shameful that the Toledo Blade is outshining The Athletic here, but not surprising.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Congrats. You found a quote I could not. And I am sure it took you some extensive searching, because I did the same thing. The Athletic could have included such a quote to further reinforce the claim, but that would be called journalism. It's shameful that the Toledo Blade is outshining The Athletic here, but not surprising.

I literally typed in the quote and the magistrate name. 10 seconds, would have been 2 seconds but the first link was dead. This was no exaggeration.

[Jordan!]

Neely saying oh, we talked to the family and we learned things is a ridiculous cop-out. Having already gone through this when Steve Sullivan drafted him with the Yotes it was ALL public.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

I literally typed in the quote and the magistrate name. 10 seconds, would have been 2 seconds but the first link was dead.

Try doing it without the magistrate's name. But I've literally read a hundred articles making that magistrate claim without his name or quote being included. I didn't state the claim was untrue, I stated it was (as best I could tell, given a mountain of articles) single sourced.

But as for your question: yes, I expect The Athletic to quote multiple sources to support a claim, or at least attempt to do so. Publications I respect at least put things like, "we attempted to reach out to (source) but they did not respond by the time of publication." And even better, actually amend the article should the source respond.