[Rumour] Flames Not Yet Done - More to Come? Possible D for F?

[kyuss275]

I can’t see flames trading any of the top 6 dmen this year . They are going for it . Next summer is a whole other question .

[JTech780]

Ok since my Hanifin for Garland trade suggestion went over so well yesterday, I thought I would go for another suggestion.

Hanifin for Bratt.

NJ is weak on the left side. Contract negotiations between them and Bratt didn’t go very well either.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Andersson is a solid player, but does he do anything better than Hanifin besides slap slots?

Rasmus had 50 points spending the entire year stapled to the top PP unit that featured two 100 point players and three 40-goal scorers.

Hanifin scored 48, mostly with 2nd unit. Hanifin is a better skater, better defensively, and plays with better leverage.

He’s only 25 and he’s this good.

I like Anderson, but his god awful decision making against the Oilers really cooled me on him. Hanifin made blunders because he was pressured. Anderson made brain dead mistakes at the worst moments in that series that were largely self inflicted.

[jlh2640]

Valamaki is the only player I would trade at this point. Maybe Mackey. But it has to be for a top 6 forward. Or someone who could play the top 3 lines.

[Higginson03]

What about trying for Tarasenko? I know we strapped for cash atm but if we can extend him for 3 years, I think it’s worth while to move out Lucic and get a top line of Huberdeau- Lindy - Tarasenko, we’d have to lose prospects / picks to do both moves but a roster of


Huby - Lindy - Senko
Mangi- Kadri - Toffoli
Pelletier - backs - Coleman

Tanev - Weegar
Hanifin - Andersson
Kylington - Z

Marky
Vlader

That can compete with even Col/Tb for best rosters

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

Valamaki is the only player I would trade at this point. Maybe Mackey. But it has to be for a top 6 forward. Or someone who could play the top 3 lines.

Got to give up something valuable to get something good in return. Valamaki has poor trade value right now. No way he alone lands you a top 6 forward.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by JTech780

Ok since my Hanifin for Garland trade suggestion went over so well yesterday, I thought I would go for another suggestion.

Hanifin for Bratt.

NJ is weak on the left side. Contract negotiations between them and Bratt didn’t go very well either.

If we’re giving up Hanifin, I would much rather get Mercer.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by Sandman

If we’re giving up Hanifin, I would much rather get Mercer.

I am not that high on Mercer, I think he is a very good player and projects as a 2nd line guy who plays in all situations, I just don’t think he has high end offense.

I also don’t think NJ would be too quick to give up a Mercer, the main reason I could see them moving Bratt is due to the way the contract negotiations went.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Except you can’t get anything that would help for Valimaki unless the pick is a 1st. You don’t want to throw away high picks

I'm okay with sending high picks for good players. I know others aren't, but it's win now. Worry about recouping those picks with trades on our expiring contracts when the time comes. That RW has been a glaring hole for so long. Where did every right handed player go?

[Scroopy Noopers]

As much as I agree with the need for defence depth in the playoffs, I also agree there is a need for an upgrade at RW in the top 6 to make this team really hard to deal with.

From a current value and future contract angle, Hanifin makes some sense. It would have to be for a top line RW, and I’m not sure I’m too excited about it even then. I honestly can’t decide…

[gvitaly]

If I objectively look at our defense, the only top 6 D I can see moving is Kylington. There might be depth moves, or waiver losses to make room for Stone, but that’s about it. In my eyes the top 4 are untouchable unless a GM overpays. Otherwise, the off-season moves didn’t really improve our D, which was a weakness against the Oilers.

It leaves Zadorov and Kylington. If it was up to me I’d rather move Zadorov, and leave a spot open for one of the other 4 depth defenseman we’ll have in training camp. Unfortunately, we just signed him as a UFA… so I can’t see it happening. That leaves Kylington.

On the other hand I’m pretty sure that one of Hanifin, Kylington, and Zadorov will be dealt within the next year. They all expire within 2 years and it will create a healthy competition between them. Who’s dealt would depend on the return, and whoever the team sees as the best/worst fit.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I just dont't think the Flames will move on from any of their top 6 D unless someone offers them something too good to pass up.


I do think they move Valimaki to a team with room in their top 7 or 8 D, in exchange for a forward that has similarly under-performed.



What I think the Flames are missing is a RHS RW. Any available on the market that might fit under the cap? Kessel? Rodrigues is a RHS too. There might be more, but i didn't want to go searching for the next hour. Those are the two that I would consider for the top 6 anyway. Toffoli - Kessel isn't a bad way to go at all considering you have Huberdeau - Mangiapane on the opposite side, and Lindholm - Kadri down the middle. That's a pretty good top 6.


Pushes Dube and Coleman down to the 3rd line with Backlund (most probably - depending on chemistry and so on), which would make for a very good 3rd line.


Looking through the Flames prospects (and ignoring Coronato who is going back to the NCAA), Phillips, Duehr, Tuulola... definitely a lack of RHS in the organization. Phillips I doubt will get too long of a look, Duehr would be a good option for the 4th line only, Tuulola doesn't seem like a player to me right now, but maybe he takes a step forward again in Finland. Either way, there aren't any RHS prospects ready to make the jump (though I am sure some of you will argue on Phillips).


I think signing Kessel or Rodrigues would be the shrewd move depending on cap space, unless you can get a RHS young player stuck behind the depth charts on some other team for Valimaki. Pens fans seem to think that Rodrigues is quite useless when not in the top 6. His shooting percentage last year was 7.8 - seemed to be in-line (on the low side, but not too low) from his average, and though he is a centre, his FO stats are awful, and up until this season, he has never hit double-digits in goals, even though he is 29 year old. I think my target would be Kessel at this point, but only if I could fit him under the cap and if Sutter wants him, and leave Rorigues to Vancouver. Seems like a guy that is going to get an over-payment to me, though he has lasted this long on the open market.



Otherwise, I am fine with the way things are. Pelletier, Ruzicka, even maybe Phillips can all take a look on the third line with Backlund and Coleman and see if there is a fit without signing anyone.

[camm13]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

If I objectively look at our defense, the only top 6 D I can see moving is Kylington. There might be depth moves, or waiver losses to make room for Stone, but that’s about it. In my eyes the top 4 are untouchable unless a GM overpays. Otherwise, the off-season moves didn’t really improve our D, which was a weakness against the Oilers.

It leaves Zadorov and Kylington. If it was up to me I’d rather move Zadorov, and leave a spot open for one of the other 4 depth defenseman we’ll have in training camp. Unfortunately, we just signed him as a UFA… so I can’t see it happening. That leaves Kylington.

On the other hand I’m pretty sure that one of Hanifin, Kylington, and Zadorov will be dealt within the next year. They all expire within 2 years and it will create a healthy competition between them. Who’s dealt would depend on the return, and whoever the team sees as the best/worst fit.

Zadorov just literally signed as a UFA for 2 more years. He's not moving. And if you try... good luck getting future UFA's to sign with you if thats how you are treating them.

[cral12]

Really curious as to what Kessel is expecting to earn this year.

His agent Wade Arnott is also agent for Chris Tanev & Trevor Lewis fwiw.

[3thirty]

I think one year of Kessel would be ideal as a placeholder for Coronato the following year.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by camm13

Zadorov just literally signed as a UFA for 2 more years. He's not moving. And if you try... good luck getting future UFA's to sign with you if thats how you are treating them.

Serious question: if it's that bad to trade him, why doesn't he have an NTC? Like if it's silly to contemplate trading a guy who just signed with you, why not formalize that in the contracts you sign? If the player's agent doesn't negotiate for the NTC, isn't that implicitly consenting to be traded to any team, at any time?

[cral12]

Per Wikipedia lol

"An avid poker player in his free time, Kessel often plays high stakes tournaments, casino cash games and home games with his teammates.[58] Although able to play Texas hold 'em well, he prefers to play Pot-limit Omaha, a game he was taught by his father.[59] Kessel has played in the World Series of Poker (WSOP) every year since 2012, entering high stakes tournaments with entry fees as high as $25,000.[59] As of June 2019, Kessel has totaled $17,022 in live tournament winnings, stemming from cashing in six different WSOP tournaments.[60] Kessel is also good friends with professional poker player Daniel Negreanu, who himself has nearly $40 million in live poker tournament winnings.

Kessel's longtime girlfriend Sandra Pereira gave birth to their first child, daughter Kapri Mary Kessel, on March 9, 2022.[46]"

Ok - hear me out - his daughter's 1st name is one letter off Kadri.

Treliving, book a meal with Kessel, bring Darryl and have them play one hand, all in, for a contract.

Book it. LFG. ; )

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by SebC

Serious question: if it's that bad to trade him, why doesn't he have an NTC? Like if it's silly to contemplate trading a guy who just signed with you, why not formalize that in the contracts you sign? If the player's agent doesn't negotiate for the NTC, isn't that implicitly consenting to be traded to any team, at any time?

I mean, if you don't care about creating the reputation of treating new players with such disrespect (*cough* Vegas *cough*) that free agents don't want to do business with you and agents force every contract to have NTC/NMC to protect their clients, then go ahead.

Trading a player you literally just signed when he could've gone anywhere as a UFA is the ultimate way to f*** your organizations reputation and future.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by cral12

Per Wikipedia lol

"An avid poker player in his free time, Kessel often plays high stakes tournaments, casino cash games and home games with his teammates.[58] Although able to play Texas hold 'em well, he prefers to play Pot-limit Omaha, a game he was taught by his father.[59] Kessel has played in the World Series of Poker (WSOP) every year since 2012, entering high stakes tournaments with entry fees as high as $25,000.[59] As of June 2019, Kessel has totaled $17,022 in live tournament winnings, stemming from cashing in six different WSOP tournaments.[60] Kessel is also good friends with professional poker player Daniel Negreanu, who himself has nearly $40 million in live poker tournament winnings.

Kessel's longtime girlfriend Sandra Pereira gave birth to their first child, daughter Kapri Mary Kessel, on March 9, 2022.[46]"

Ok - hear me out - his daughter's 1st name is one letter off Kadri.

Treliving, book a meal with Kessel, bring Darryl and have them play one hand, all in, for a contract.

Book it. LFG. ; )

Not even one letter. One 180 degree rotation.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by camm13

Zadorov just literally signed as a UFA for 2 more years. He's not moving. And if you try... good luck getting future UFA's to sign with you if thats how you are treating them.

I agree that's why I said it's really unlikely; however, if he is dealt next off-season I don't think that would impact anything. In addition, the narrative of "UFA's won't sign if" doesn't really work in my opinion. That would simply give their agents an incentive to negotiate a NTC. If the Flames have a good team, then players will want to play here... at least the players that want to win.