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Old 03-29-2022, 08:36 AM   #301
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Sometimes I wonder if "Antifa" even exists anywhere outside of these people's heads.
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Old 03-29-2022, 09:10 AM   #302
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He’s trying to be the next Allan Bloom or Camille Paglia. He’s got a bigger audience than both of them combined but he has a fraction of the brain power.
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Old 03-29-2022, 09:51 AM   #303
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It is semi-interesting how the Jordan Peterson and IDW crew have essentially created their own little constrained media system. They appear on each other's podcasts, in their stories, etc. Its a contained eco-system that I'm sure can generate enough wealth for all all of them.
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Gotta say, I'm getting a kick out of everyone insulting his intelligence. Like you're all a bunch of rocket scientists yourselves.
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Old 03-29-2022, 10:33 AM   #305
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Gotta say, I'm getting a kick out of everyone insulting his intelligence. Like you're all a bunch of rocket scientists yourselves.
He may be very intelligent, but I think what galls people is the grift. He is speaking nonsense to a select audience who pays him handsomely for said nonsense.
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Gotta say, I'm getting a kick out of everyone insulting his intelligence. Like you're all a bunch of rocket scientists yourselves.
Believe me when I say you can be really intelligent but also a total idiot. The issue people have is that he speaks as an authority outside of his lane. Speaking like an expert of things he knows very little about.

Kind of like getting Tiger Woods to coach a hockey team. Tiger is the greatest golfer ever, so he must know everything there is to know about sports right?
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Old 03-29-2022, 10:47 AM   #307
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Maintenance Phase (podcast) did a good two-parter on Jordan Peterson which explains pretty well what happened to his health, and I think they have some good takes. Really short version, trying to go cold turkey on benzo's (prescribed for his depression) and probably his all-meat diet was a contributing factor.

https://www.maintenancephase.com (Or you know, where ever you get your podcasts from.)
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Sometimes I wonder if "Antifa" even exists anywhere outside of these people's heads.
Several antifa members assaulted the dude Peterson was talking to a couple of years ago.



In 2020 there was a politically motivated murder committed by a self described antifa member/supporter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killin...chael_Reinoehl

So yes antifa does indeed exist outside of the imagination of Jordan Peterson and company and has been responsible for violent acts. It's understandable that he has an axe to grind with them.
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Old 03-29-2022, 11:00 AM   #309
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Several antifa members assaulted the dude Peterson was talking to a couple of years ago.



In 2020 there was a politically motivated murder committed by a self described antifa member/supporter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killin...chael_Reinoehl

So yes antifa does indeed exist outside of the imagination of Jordan Peterson and company and has been responsible for violent acts. It's understandable that he has an axe to grind with them.
Calling that a "politically motivated murder" is stretching what is known very, very far.

For all anyone knows it might just as well have been self-defense and not a murder at all. There doesn't seem to have been a proper investigation or credible sources claiming otherwise. (I'm aware the police called Reinoehl a murderer. I'm not going to bother explaining why taking their word for it in such a matter would be anything other than extremely naive.)
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Neither of those incidents convince me that Antifa is a thing that actually exists.
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Old 03-29-2022, 11:19 AM   #311
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Neither of those incidents convince me that Antifa is a thing that actually exists.
Anti-capitalist anarchists who flock to public demonstrations with the intent to riot and destroy property are absolutely a real thing. How exactly they’re organized or what they call themselves isn’t really important. They’re violent actors on the political stage who actually exist. The Battle of Seattle wasn’t an act of unplanned spontaneity. The fires set on the streets and public buildings of Portland in recent years aren’t all the acts of totally unaffiliated individuals.

Just because ######bags in conservative media exaggerate the threat doesn’t mean it’s simply fabricated.
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Gotta say, I'm getting a kick out of everyone insulting his intelligence. Like you're all a bunch of rocket scientists yourselves.
It's another example of a well educated person going off the rails. He may have more advanced degrees than I do, but I am educated enough to spot crazy when I see it. Same as Ben Carson and his 'the pyramids were granaries for joseph' nonsense.
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It's another example of a well educated person going off the rails. He may have more advanced degrees than I do, but I am educated enough to spot crazy when I see it. Same as Ben Carson and his 'the pyramids were granaries for joseph' nonsense.
Peterson was always so high strung that it’s not a surprise he had a breakdown. What was surprising was seeing him fall under the sway of his nutbar daughter and her kooky diets and money-making schemes. There’s a cautionary tale there about parents and blind spots, though I doubt Peterson will be writing about it in his next self-help book.
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Anti-capitalist anarchists who flock to public demonstrations with the intent to riot and destroy property are absolutely a real thing. How exactly they’re organized or what they call themselves isn’t really important. They’re violent actors on the political stage who actually exist. The Battle of Seattle wasn’t an act of unplanned spontaneity. The fires set on the streets and public buildings of Portland in recent years aren’t all the acts of totally unaffiliated individuals.

Just because ######bags in conservative media exaggerate the threat doesn’t mean it’s simply fabricated.
But that's kind of an indivdual thing. It's not like The Proud Boys, where they seem to have some sort of organization. I guess my point is, it seems they throw the Antifa label on anyone who takes a position against their own. And the funny part is the name is just a description of what they are against, fascists. Which really is something we should all be. I'm anti-fascist, and think people like Peterson are clowns. Am I Antifa?
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He's clearly mentally unwell now, from his painkiller addictions and dealing with his wife' illness and the sudden celebrity he gained late in life boosting his ego beyond what his mild intellect could handle.
Pretty obviously.

I don't understand why anyone pays him any attention. Even the base he is talking to... he derides weak masculinity and lack of action, lack of usefulness to society, and human wastefulness constantly for years then is revealed to have a huge painkiller addiction? Nothing against recovering addicts (also don't believe this is the case in this scenario- look at the guy) but this level of hypocritical behavior needs to be absolutely trampled. I have active disdain and disregard for anyone who brings this person up in any remotely serious conversation or context.
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Just watched that video. Man he really looks sick as hell.
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But that's kind of an indivdual thing. It's not like The Proud Boys, where they seem to have some sort of organization. I guess my point is, it seems they throw the Antifa label on anyone who takes a position against their own. And the funny part is the name is just a description of what they are against, fascists. Which really is something we should all be. I'm anti-fascist, and think people like Peterson are clowns. Am I Antifa?
Like any group they will have their online communities and defacto local "leaders." You and I may not have searched them out but they certainly exist. Just look back to the reporting in early Feb on that Antifa guy in Winnipeg who drove over a bunch of freedom protestors. Some of the reports touch on the various Antifa communities that the suspect was known in both online (Facebook) and in-person (concerts).
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But that's kind of an indivdual thing. It's not like The Proud Boys, where they seem to have some sort of organization. I guess my point is, it seems they throw the Antifa label on anyone who takes a position against their own. And the funny part is the name is just a description of what they are against, fascists. Which really is something we should all be. I'm anti-fascist, and think people like Peterson are clowns. Am I Antifa?
Got it, Antifa won't be considered a "real thing" until they issue polo shirts. Their websites, flags and posters are all irrelevant.

Definitely not a "real thing", but if they were, what they do is correct, just and beyond criticism, because their name implies going against fascism, which we all agree is bad.

What could go wrong!
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Got it, Antifa won't be considered a "real thing" until they issue polo shirts. Their websites, flags and posters are all irrelevant.

Definitely not a "real thing", but if they were, what they do is correct, just and beyond criticism, because their name implies going against fascism, which we all agree is bad.

What could go wrong!
That's a fantastic summary of what I just wrote. Really nailed it.
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Peterson had a major clobenzepam (benzo) addiction stemming from a Doctor prescribing it for anxiety. The dosages increased as he dealt with his wife's Cancer.

He eventually ran out of options here in NA as he kept relapsing and couldn't kick the habit so he went to Russia to be put into a medically induced coma so that he could not walk out of the rehab.

From what others have reported about their negative benzo experiences (the late Taylor Hawkins from the Foo Fighters was found to have it in his system along with other prescription drugs) can last a year or longer and his brain just appears fried now.

https://newrepublic.com/article/1568...ordan-peterson
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