[News] Jack Eichel Surgery And Comeback Thread

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Mark Stone is crazy competitive and loves playing
He ain't gonna sit if he doesn't have to.

Someone has to. And he’s a team guy on a long term contract.

If there’s no Eichel trade, do we really believe he goes on LTIR at the exact same point in time? Seems almost impossible no?

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Maybe he is so competitive he's willing to do anything it takes to win the cup. Maybe even extend his stay on LTIR until the first game of the playoffs.

It's a good point. He can heal up and come back during the playoffs on the wing of a killer center. Competitor in him would want that.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

I'd be surprised if Stone would agree to miss the rest of the season just to get Eichel in the line-up. And I don't think Vegas would want that as that's a lot of games to be without your best player.

I do think this is a constructed win-win. Gives Stone a month to get his back 100% and a bit more time for Vegas to figure their cap out. Martinez is coming back soon as well. I believe, and someone can correct me, but with him coming back now they'll have to clear the equivalent of Stone's salary before bringing him back in.

A whole thread without consideration of needing to clear cap for Martinez.


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[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Someone has to. And he’s a team guy on a long term contract.

If there’s no Eichel trade, do we really believe he goes on LTIR at the exact same point in time? Seems almost impossible no?

I see it more impossible that his injury isn’t legit

[Johnny Makarov]

Does any of this cap circumvention even matter? They aren't winning a playoff series if Lehner is their starting goalie.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I see it more impossible that his injury isn’t legit

I have no doubt he has an injury and will benefit from time off.

But the cap situation is impacting the timing and how much time he misses. It's not just up to how he feels.

[Coach]

I hope Jack Eichel has no pain and lives pain free for the remainder of his life.

And also that he is never good at hockey again.

[powderjunkie]

I find this VGK scenario a lot less annoying than the TBL one. Assuming Capfriendly's daily tracker is correct, all of VGK's players (except Eichel) have been counting against the cap for at least 1/3 of the total season length.

Even Eichel counted against BUF's cap for the first 23 days, and if he plays from Wed to the end of the season it will be another 72 days.

Perhaps there should be some more limits on LTIR, but IMO VGK's players will have all 'earned' their playoff eligibility.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I find this VGK scenario a lot less annoying than the TBL one. Assuming Capfriendly's daily tracker is correct, all of VGK's players (except Eichel) have been counting against the cap for at least 1/3 of the total season length.

Even Eichel counted against BUF's cap for the first 23 days, and if he plays from Wed to the end of the season it will be another 72 days.

Perhaps there should be some more limits on LTIR, but IMO VGK's players will have all 'earned' their playoff eligibility.

I find it more annoying. TBL played all year without their best player (give or take Hedman) and didn’t sign a $10M player to fill in while he was gone. Vegas signs a $10M player when they are at the cap and all the cap players have contributed to team success so far.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I find it more annoying. TBL played all year without their best player (give or take Hedman) and didn’t sign a $10M player to fill in while he was gone. Vegas signs a $10M player when they are at the cap and all the cap players have contributed to team success so far.

Tampa couldn't sign Cirelli unless they either traded a good player or put someone on LTIR. In fact, they were already $6 million over the cap with Cirelli unsigned, so even without re-signing him, the would have had to make a big move. So they didn't only sign Savard, they also re-signed their RFAs and put themselves over the cap.

It seemed really suspicious at the time that Kucherov waited until just before the season began to announce the he would elect for surgery and be out for most if not all of the season. It seemed like Tampa was hoping to somehow keep him in the line-up while moving some players, but couldn't get any deals done so Kucherov took one for the team. I am not saying that he didn't need surgery, but he could have had it earlier or waited until the next offseason.

I think Tampa kept the LTIR option in their back pocket and Kucherov was cooperative in order to keep the team intact. I don't think what Tampa did was well thought out, but they painted themselves into a corner.

I agree, what Vegas did was a lot more deliberate as they acquired a player to put themselves in the position, where as Tampa was just trying to keep their team together.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Coach

Sounds like Vegas is very aware of a long term problem with Stone. Not a wonder they went hard for Eichel knowing Stone's salary was likely to find a way to LTIR in the near future anyways.

As someone with back issues stemming from a hockey injury, I can definitely sympathize how one seemingly innocent motion can cause something to click in a way that debilitates you. Like, forever. I'm guessing Vegas and Stone both knew he's been on borrowed time for a while.

Yes. This. Stone missed games at the beginning of the season, and there was discussion that he could be out for the full year. And this was long before the Eichel trade. The only reason he returned early is because VGK looked like they might struggle to make the playoffs in November.

The problem is not that players are faking or even exaggerating injuries. The problem is with how we are accustomed to seeing injured players play, and with what players are expected to play through.

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He just happened to go on LTIR the day before Eichel was ready to go?

If he is back for game one of the playoffs its obvious they are using nagging injuries to game the system

If Stone gets a back surgery and is out until next year I will retract but I highly doubt it

Stone has played only 28 games this season, and there was legitimate concern that he would be out for the whole year back in October. He has been playing more of necessity than anything this season.

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[FanIn80]

Lehner being evaluated by Golden Knights for upper-body injury




He hasn't played since the Feb 9th game against us. Apparently he has a shoulder issue that "will eventually require surgery." Also there's talk of using Lehner's soon-to-be-incoming LTIR to re-acquire MAF.

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2262991


Edit: To be clear, nothing is saying that he injured his shoulder in that Feb 9th game. It reads more like he's had an ongoing shoulder issue that will eventually require surgery, and Vegas is just going to send him for surgery now for more LTIR. Seravalli thinks they're going to use that LTIR to try to get MAF back.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Lehner being evaluated by Golden Knights for upper-body injury




He hasn't played since the Feb 9th game against us. Apparently he has a shoulder issue that "will eventually require surgery." Also there's talk of using Lehner's soon-to-be-incoming LTIR to re-acquire MAF.

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2262991

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Stone has played only 28 games this season, and there was legitimate concern that he would be out for the whole year back in October. He has been playing more of necessity than anything this season.

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While that is true I suspect he will be given a bill of clean health the moment the regular season ends. I can't fault teams for doing this because the loophole exists. It's something that's going to have to be changed in the future because teams are really, really starting to bend the rules here as I expect Stone like Kucherov will be ready to play before the season ends.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

While that is true I suspect he will be given a bill of clean health the moment the regular season ends. I can't fault teams for doing this because the loophole exists. It's something that's going to have to be changed in the future because teams are really, really starting to bend the rules here as I expect Stone like Kucherov will be ready to play before the season ends.

exactly, you can't be mad at the team for doing it but also blindly defending what they are obviously doing is pretty dumb

If they didn't acquire Eichel, Stone wouldn't be missing the rest of the regular season


Loophole needs to be fixed, just another advantage for top NHL markets

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yes. This. Stone missed games at the beginning of the season, and there was discussion that he could be out for the full year. And this was long before the Eichel trade. The only reason he returned early is because VGK looked like they might struggle to make the playoffs in November.

The problem is not that players are faking or even exaggerating injuries. The problem is with how we are accustomed to seeing injured players play, and with what players are expected to play through.

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So you’re saying that if they were still in danger of missing the playoffs, he’d be trying to play like he did earlier? Or that if Eichel was ready sooner, they’d have played together? Of course that’s impossible.

Not many are saying he is faking. I certainly don’t think so. But it’s the cap shenanigans that is dictating whether he plays or not.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Nvm

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If there’s no Eichel trade, do we really believe he goes on LTIR at the exact same point in time? Seems almost impossible no?

If there is no need for cap room, there would be no point to him being in LTIR - it can’t be accumulated.

That doesn’t mean he would be in the lineup though.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Seravalli thinks they're going to use that LTIR to try to get MAF back.

If I was MAF I would let them trade for me then retire one minute after the TDL has ended. After what they did to him after he won the Vezina and what he's done for that franchise. Not like he's chasing a cup.