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dino7c · 11-15-2021, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Gio is still effective. He'll get a first.

Brodie is still amazing. We downgraded in adding Tanev, as solid as he's been.

Hypothetically, if the Flames were not dedicating their cap to Hanifin-Andersson-Zadorov, they could have all four of those guys anyways.

Kylington-Tanev
Giordano-Brodie

could actually be our top four.

Lol wat? Brodie is nowhere near as good as Tanev. Brodie is amazing at what? Scoring one goal in 72 games?

Tanev is better defensively by a country mile

Also, Gio is near the end of his career... Hanifin/Andersson are better dmen now

Johnny Makarov · 11-15-2021, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

According to their JFresh cards, Brodie’s WAR % is 87 and Tanev’s is 78%.

So. Yeah.

Brodie’s awesome.

Tanev is good too, but he’s different.

Have you even watched them play the past 2 years?

But I guess Brodie gets a better discount at Loblaws than Tanev?

FanIn80 · 11-15-2021, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Gio is still effective. He'll get a first.

Brodie is still amazing. We downgraded in adding Tanev, as solid as he's been.

Hypothetically, if the Flames were not dedicating their cap to Hanifin-Andersson-Zadorov, they could have all four of those guys anyways.

Kylington-Tanev
Giordano-Brodie

could actually be our top four.

I mean, I'm on board with using Zadorov's money elsewhere, but I'm perfectly ok with Kylington-Tanev / Hanifin-Andersson as our top four. In fact, I prefer that to having Giordano-Brodie. Giordano (38) is only getting worse every season, and Brodie (31) will never be anything better than he already has been... Hanifin (24) and Andersson (25) are still 3-4 years away from hitting their prime, and at worst they're already at least replacement-level to current Gio-Brodie.

On a side note... Hanifin is only 24 years old, and he's already going to play his 500th game this season.

GranteedEV · 11-15-2021, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

According to their JFresh cards, Brodie’s WAR % is 87 and Tanev’s is 78%.

So. Yeah.

Brodie’s awesome.

Tanev is good too, but he’s different.

Brodie is the only reason the Flames didn't beat the Leafs the other night by a big margin. He was breaking up dangerous play after dangerous play.

I'd take him on my team over Hanifin or Andersson in a heartbeat, and yes in isolation I'd take him over Tanev too, though the Kylington-Tanev pair has chemistry that can't be isolated.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Have you even watched them play the past 2 years?

Clearly, you have not. He's been the Leafs' best defenseman by a huge margin.

TheIronMaiden · 11-15-2021, 11:32 AM

If all things were equal Brodie > Hanifin

But age and contract are no small factors.

GreenLantern2814 · 11-15-2021, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Have you even watched them play the past 2 years?

But I guess Brodie gets a better discount at Loblaws than Tanev?

Spoiler!

Knightslayer · 11-15-2021, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

According to their JFresh cards, Brodie’s WAR % is 87 and Tanev’s is 78%.

So. Yeah.

Brodie’s awesome.

Tanev is good too, but he’s different.

Jfresh cards aren't facts. Also they consider last 3 years. When brodie was with Gio.

GranteedEV · 11-15-2021, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

If all things were equal Brodie > Hanifin

But age and contract are no small factors.

Defensemen like Brodie age like fine wine. In four years I expect Brodie to still be effective, and I'm not sure Hanifin will be any better than he already is. In fact I expect Valimaki to overtake Hanifin within that time.

dino7c · 11-15-2021, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Tanev was 97% War last season

Are those including his Canucks days on that disaster of a team?

dino7c · 11-15-2021, 11:39 AM

Zadorov has more goals in 10 games in Calgary than Brodie in 72 games with the high powered Leafs.

Knightslayer · 11-15-2021, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Tanev was 97% War last season

Are those including his Canucks days on that disaster of a team?

Yes. It's ridiculous lazy arguing. Anyone that has watched them both play know Tanev has been much better last 2 years.

Johnny Makarov · 11-15-2021, 11:41 AM

Here is my JoeFresh card.

Tanev 3 goals 71 games on the Flames 32% discount on regularly priced items.
Brodie 1 goal 72 games on the Leafs. 28% discount on regularly priced items.
Brodie* every 2nd gaffe he gave up as a Flame ended up in our net.

If Brodie is the best dman on the Leafs, holy hell are they in for a world of hurt this year.

GreenLantern2814 · 11-15-2021, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Jfresh cards aren't facts. Also they consider last 3 years. When brodie was with Gio.

They're actually entirely comprised of facts.

How you interpret them is up to you.

People are arguing Brodie somehow isn't in Tanev's class, when in fact he very much is.

Both are 90%+ defenders at even strength.

Both play against the other team's top players and excel at it.

They're both extremely high-quality players; Brodie handles the puck and passes about 3x better than Tanev, which is borne out in both their actual production and watching them with the puck on their stick.

I like Brodie. He was home-grown, he was awesome for us his entire time here, and he's awesome now he's on the Leafs.

And Oliver Kylington is going to make the exact same types of mistakes TJ Brodie was (in)famous for as his role expands - it's what happens when you play that role.

FanIn80 · 11-15-2021, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Tanev was 97% War last season

Are those including his Canucks days on that disaster of a team?

Yes.

Apparently, we're now using a comparison of two seasons of Tanev playing by himself in Vancouver vs two seasons of Brodie playing with Giordano, to demonstrate that Brodie > Tanev.

GreenLantern2814 · 11-15-2021, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Yes. It's ridiculous lazy arguing. Anyone that has watched them both play know Tanev has been much better last 2 years.

Updated with the most recent charts for both players, for the ridiculously lazy.

94% vs 97%.

Holy Christ.

Johnny Makarov · 11-15-2021, 11:46 AM

Bigbrodiefan is sooo proud of you guys! rah rah rah!

SuperMatt18 · 11-15-2021, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Zadorov has more goals in 10 games in Calgary than Brodie in 72 games with the high powered Leafs.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Here is my JoeFresh card.

Tanev 3 goals 71 games on the Flames
Brodie 1 goal 72 games on the Leafs.
Brodie* every 2nd gaffe he gave up as a Flame ended up in our net.

If Brodie is the best dman on the Leafs, holy hell are they in for a world of hurt this year.

Goals are probably the worst possible metric to use to rate defenseman.

Gio, Brodie, and Tanev are all good d-men.

This idea that Brodie and Gio were bad and were part of the Flames issues is just ridiculous. They'd be performing great with Sutter as their coach too.

Honestly no idea why you seem to hate Gio and Brodie so much, they were great Flames and this idea that they were bad is ridiculous.

dino7c · 11-15-2021, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Updated with the most recent charts for both players, for the ridiculously lazy.

94% vs 97%.

Holy Christ.

You two were certainly cherry picking stats

Flames D seems elite at defending...2nd overall in GA

Not much to complain about, especially if Kylington can keep providing offense. Playing with Tanev is a large factor.

FanIn80 · 11-15-2021, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Updated with the most recent charts for both players, for the ridiculously lazy.

94% vs 97%.

Holy Christ.

I dunno what you're "Holy Christ"-ing about. 97% Tanev vs 94% Brodie is a little different than 87% Brodie vs 76% Tanev.

neo45 · 11-15-2021, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by FanIn80

Yes.

Apparently, we're now using a comparison of two seasons of Tanev playing by himself in Vancouver vs two seasons of Brodie playing with Giordano, to demonstrate that Brodie > Tanev.

It’s a weighted 3 year average, so the most recent seasons are the most important in that metric (I believe)

So it’s mostly Brodie’s season in Toronto vs Tanev’s season in Calgary where he played with Gio a lot in the second half but was also hurt

Basically, they are pretty even players overall