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[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by BigRed

It is. In fact, if Tkachuk is the centrepiece, I wouldn’t add more than Zary/Pelletier + 2022 1st. And it works for both teams. Buffalo adds a star player and restocks its top end propect cupboard; and Calgary gives up a chunk of its future and a guy expected to be captain for an elite C who may or may not return to form.

The risk is a major intangible in any deal. Has to factor in.


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That's still way too much.
Thachuk would be 2nd overall if you redraft his class, so 2nd overall + 2 more 1st rounders for Eichel is overpay.

Tkachuk + 1 pick would be max.

[sticktrick]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Lindholm and Hanafin being the roster player asks in that Twitter dudes tweet is laughable let alone adding a 1st and Coronato to that ‘deal’. It just speaks to how little about the flames the league and it’s fans seem to know or give credit for. Lindholm is a top Center on more than half the league’s teams and they want to add a top 2 D, top prospect and a first in a stacked draft?? For a top end player with a significant injury who’s still awaiting medical intervention?!?!?? Righhhhhhht. Honesty I hope Eichel files the grievance and I’m not shocked at all a team has yet to step up and meet the ask from Adams, it’s borderline crazy and he’s looking like a madman the longer this marches on.

Well said. If the “ask” was near reasonable, the deal would have been done long ago, and it could have been any number of teams acquire him. Adams is asking for a ton most likely, with the obvious intent to get the best haul possible. The longer it goes on, the hairier it gets. Can’t blame the sabres for trying.

[Royle9]

I don’t understand how people are saying we’re gutting our roster if we trade for him.

In most cases I think it’s almost unanimous that it would include:

Monahan
Picks
Prospects
Wild card - 1 of Valamaki/Dube/Mangi

The only scenario I think we’re in any sort of trouble is losing Mangi, otherwise losing your 4th line centre who most here have written off and then 1 of our top 3 prospects and a good depth individual I think we’re fine.

Unless the flames draft in the top 1-3 in the next 5 years we’re never getting an Eichel, so either we give up some to get now or we lose him to a rival yet again.

Personally I hope we’re still in the mix with a package involving the above, otherwise I guess it’s not happening. Buffalo won’t be getting 2 A+ roster players plus prospects and picks anymore so that bogus Lindholm ask is laughable.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

People saying Lindholm is the only untouchable, I dunno, I’m not trading Gaudreau either.

I do Gaudreau not because of what he is or isn't bringing to the team, but simply because of the likelihood of him testing free agency. The chances of him being a Flames if he ends the season without a contract is very minimal, unfortunately. Combined with how Sutter is getting so much out of every single player on the roster, truly rolling four lines.

I'd hate to go into 2022 with a well coached team that could have had Eichel to start the year but let him go to hold onto Gaudreau...who signed elsewhere.

[Strange Brew]

I wish I knew what the club knows about likelihood of Gaudreau, Tkachuk and Mangiapane signing long term.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I wish I knew what the club knows about likelihood of Gaudreau, Tkachuk and Mangiapane signing long term.

Yeah, no kidding hey? It's basically the key to what happens in any trade scenarios, but we can only guess. Sometimes the GM's are guessing too, depending on the agent.

[Heavy Jack]

When it comes to Gaudreau and Eichel it really is a why not both for me at this point. We didn’t get our last big time winger in Iginla that true blue number 1 elite Center and I think it ultimately held those Iginla years from achieving the playoff success that it deserved to. Gaudreau is a completely different type of winger than Iginla and by no means am I saying he’s as good as or has proved as much as Iginla had up until this point but I truly feel a guy like Eichel would elevate Gaudreau into a 100+ point player and would ultimately set this team with all its other value contracts and strengths for some great success.

If we land Eichel I can’t see Johnny not extending which is why I understand all the smoke around the flames and Eichel. It’s the biggest thing this team has needed for years and years and while Lindholm is doing an admirable job right now a one two punch of Eichel and Lindholm as right handed centre’s is absolutely drool worthy.

Figure it out Brad, the majority of the fan base would and is for this acquisition and it would line up quite nicely with the new building as well. Having Eichel and Gaudreau in their primes to finish out the saddle dome and usher in a new arena would be magical for the city.

On top of all that the Mcdavid vs Eichel BOA storylines alone make this worth it, I’m hoping Trelivings patience pays off but at the end of the day he needs to pull the trigger on one of these players he’s been constantly rumoured to be interested in.

[BigRed]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Tkachuk + 1 pick would be max.

I would pull the trigger on that in a heartbeat. I wonder if it’s been offered. Still think Buffalo ask would be another high end pick/prospect.


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[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Thing is I don’t know why the Sabres would want this - they’d inherit the same problem.

I suppose one could argue the futures obtained in a Tkachuk trade are more valuable to the Sabres than the Flames, given Buffalo is in a never ending rebuild.

[Matty81]

Wonder if Hertl would re-sign here for market value after a trade. Probably not this close to UFA status but if the goal is to add a second top 6 centre he would be way cheaper and could probably be fit in this year with just someone like Zadorov going back. Assuming in line with historic UFA rentals he'd probably just cost one high end prospect or pick and change.

Not the game changer Eichel is but bump Ritchie out of the lineup and pair Hertl with Mang and Dube would give the Flames 4 real good lines.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by sticktrick

Well said. If the “ask” was near reasonable, the deal would have been done long ago, and it could have been any number of teams acquire him. Adams is asking for a ton most likely, with the obvious intent to get the best haul possible. The longer it goes on, the hairier it gets. Can’t blame the sabres for trying.

How long would Eichel be out after surgery? If it gets to the point where he is not available for the playoffs then Buffalo loses any leverage they had.

[442scotty]

I don’t think the majority is in favour of acquiring Eichel. I would say there is a hard core get Eichel at all costs group of maybe 10 posters on here lol. We need a poll.

[Matty81]

Poll would be interesting, I feel like the majority of the fanbase wants him, just not at any cost. I'm in the roll the dice as long as it isn't a wild overpay - I think the Flames need to make some changes if they are going to build a group that can win it all.

[BigRed]

Originally Posted by edslunch

How long would Eichel be out after surgery? If it gets to the point where he is not available for the playoffs then Buffalo loses any leverage they had.

Exactly. I thought if he had surgery pre-camp in September he might be back before Xmas. So is he now Feb/March? Later? If he’s not available for the stretch, what’s the point of trading?


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[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by BigRed

Exactly. I thought if he had surgery pre-camp in September he might be back before Xmas. So is he now Feb/March? Later? If he’s not available for the stretch, what’s the point of trading?


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You ever watch Dragon Ball Z?

[Roof-Daddy]

This is the trade that never is
This is the trade that never is
Somebody started thinking it not knowing what it was
Now they'll go on thinking it forever just because
This is the trade that never is
This is the trade that never is
Somebody started thinking it not knowing what it was
Now they'll go on thinking it forever just because
This is the trade that never is
This is the trade that never is

[MJK]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

This is the trade that never is
This is the trade that never is
Somebody started thinking it not knowing what it was
Now they'll go on thinking it forever just because
This is the trade that never is
This is the trade that never is
Somebody started thinking it not knowing what it was
Now they'll go on thinking it forever just because
This is the trade that never is
This is the trade that never is

Fixed for you…I was a big lamb chops fan.

This is the trade that never is
It goes on and on my friends…
Some people started thinking it, not knowing what it was
And they'll continue thinking it forever just because
This is the trade that never is
It goes on and on my friends…
Somebody started thinking it, not knowing what it was
And they’ll continue thinking it forever just because
This is the trade that never is
It goes on and on my friends…

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

I don’t think the majority is in favour of acquiring Eichel. I would say there is a hard core get Eichel at all costs group of maybe 10 posters on here lol. We need a poll.

This isn't fair, you're conflating different feelings into two definitive groups. You're insinuating that there is a small group that wants Eichel at any cost and the rest of the well reasoned fans don't want that.

Those aren't the two groups, and there isn't just two groups, that's just present day, social media divide style junk. I will take or not take Eichel depending on the players and picks involved.

Man, we really need to reintroduce nuance into discussion, somehow. But I don't see it coming back.

[robbie111]

Eichels top year was 82 pts and he's only done that once in his career. No way do you trade Gaudreau for an injured Center who tops out at 82 pts when healthy. Give your heads a shake.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

That's still way too much.
Thachuk would be 2nd overall if you redraft his class, so 2nd overall + 2 more 1st rounders for Eichel is overpay.

Tkachuk + 1 pick would be max.

You get team control of a 2nd overall pick for 7 seasons. Tkachuk is only under team control for another season and a half. In that season and a half Buffalo is unlikely to be competing for anything. That's why he doesn't make much sense for Buffalo. One could even argue that his qualifying offer would make him overpaid next season, and further diminish his value.

Buffalo seems to have committed to a rebuild. They need assets that they will have in a few years, otherwise they are just going to flip w.e assets they get.

Which controlled assets do the Flames have on the roster?
Andersson/Valimaki - 5 seasons(counting this one)
Dube - 4 seasons
Lindholm/Hanifin/Kylington/Vladar - 3 seasons
Tkachuk/Mangiapane/Monahan(M-NTC) - 2 seasons
Gaudreau - 1 season

That's why I think that it is more likely that Andersson + Dube/Valimaki are a part of a Flames package. 3 seasons including this one are not nearly enough for Buffalo to rebuild on the fly.