[News] CSEC's acceptable proof of vaccination for Saddledome games

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

No… is this shocking to people? The majority of my acquaintances are the same.

Presumably you and your acquaintances are introverts and/or uncommonly anxious about covid. I’m confident most Albertans have visited someone else’s home or gone out to a restaurant with friends and family in the last 18 months. Public health experts have in fact encouraged people to resume face-to-face social socialization whenever relaxations to social distancing measures allowed. Isolation is really bad for the mental health of most people.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

No… is this shocking to people? The majority of my acquaintances are the same.

Yes, this is shocking. This is not the norm - vast majority of people relaxed somewhat last spring as vaccinations became widespread. You and your acquaintances have seriously continued to be in lockdown and isolation this entire time? That is extremely concerning imo

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by heep223

Yes, this is shocking. This is not the norm - vast majority of people relaxed somewhat last spring as vaccinations became widespread. You and your acquaintances have seriously continued to be in lockdown and isolation this entire time? That is extremely concerning imo

You and I have very different definitions of widespread. I knew 1 person in the spring who was fully vaxxed, my 84 year old grandmother.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

You and I have very different definitions of widespread. I knew 1 person in the spring who was fully vaxxed, my 84 year old grandmother.

That’s messed up. Almost my entire friend circle including myself and my wife and most of my coworkers were vaccinated in May/June.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by heep223

That’s messed up. Almost my entire friend circle including myself and my wife and most of my coworkers were vaccinated in May.

You think all of Canada is messed up? Are you all in your 90s? No jurisdiction in Canada was allowing anyone under 50 second doses by may.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

You think all of Canada is messed up? Are you all in your 90s? No jurisdiction in Canada was allowing anyone under 50 second doses by may.

Ninja edit added June for 2nd doses. I hear you “spring” really meaning before stampede.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

30% of Canadians were fully vaxxed by June 30th. So no, not widespread.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Presumably you and your acquaintances are introverts and/or uncommonly anxious about covid. I’m confident most Albertans have visited someone else’s home or gone out to a restaurant with friends and family in the last 18 months. Public health experts have in fact encouraged people to resume face-to-face social socialization whenever relaxations to social distancing measures allowed. Isolation is really bad for the mental health of most people.

Cliff mentioned covid anxiety, everybody drink!


I don’t know anyone who was hosting in house events until about July when they were all double vaxxed.

Even with them being vaxxed, most people I know chose to associate outdoors when possible or sit on patios.

I don’t find OP’s claim to be odd at all.

[heep223]

Not sure what you’re looking at but 60% of Albertans had at least 1 dose by mid June. Vaccines were becoming widespread, rules were relaxing. It’s shocking to me that people have still been isolating since then and I really don’t think that’s the norm.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Yeah I was cowering in fear in my basement… Black and white is all some of you see.

Had outdoors visits, walks, etc, all as recommended by public health. They also requested (when not mandated) for people to abstain from in home visits in the interest of keeping our hospital system from collapsing for the first couple stages of reopening.

Step 3 opened up indoor gatherings for multiple households, once vaccines saw significant uptake. We’re there now, we weren’t for most of the pandemic.

This was clearly outlined… so again I ask, how are people shocked at this? I’m not saying anything about people who didn’t do follow public health recommendations/requests. So why would the fact someone else did that set you off so much? It’s funny, you think I’m mentally unwell or a coward and the way to fix that is by attacking me with it? Hilarious.

Fear mongering, socially anxious, hermit, scared little baby. That’s me

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by heep223

Not sure what you’re looking at but 60% of Albertans had at least 1 dose by mid June. Vaccines were becoming widespread, rules were relaxing. It’s shocking to me that people have still been isolating since then and I really don’t think that’s the norm.

Semantics perhaps, but please recall that’s 60% of eligible Albertans.

I have been to a few restaurants and a few backyards, but haven’t been in anyone’s house except my folks and my in-laws.
Having three toddlers it’s possible no one wants us over!

We’re not isolating per se, but certainly still taking care.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by heep223

Yes, this is shocking. This is not the norm - vast majority of people relaxed somewhat last spring as vaccinations became widespread. You and your acquaintances have seriously continued to be in lockdown and isolation this entire time? That is extremely concerning imo

Again, the messaging in Alberta has really ####ed with the understanding of “lockdowns” and “isolation”.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Having three toddlers it’s possible no one wants us over!

Thoughts and prayers lol. We’re in the same boat with two kids exposed to god knows what all day.

Listen all I’m saying is that the way OP described having “only been to his dad’s house since the pandemic started” and shaming people for going to flames games is extreme and not normal IMO. And then others saying they’ve been “isolating” since day one is also extreme. Understanding though that isolation means different things to different people I guess.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by heep223

Thoughts and prayers lol. We’re in the same boat with two kids exposed to god knows what all day.

Listen all I’m saying is that the way OP described having “only been to his dad’s house since the pandemic started” and shaming people for going to flames games is extreme and not normal IMO. And then others saying they’ve been “isolating” since day one is also extreme. Understanding though that isolation means different things to different people I guess.

Thanks - It’s needed many days…
They’re pretty sweet though!

I agree that more explanation can be beneficial, like what he then said.
I’m actually likely to go to a game. Not 100% decided, but likely.

[TorqueDog]

I’m going to the Flames/Jets game on November 27th.

All five of us are fully vaccinated. The QR scanning app for validating our provincial vaccination cards should be available by November to reduce or prevent people with fake ones getting in and, if the Saddledome staff are doing their jobs, virtually everyone in the arena will be fully vaccinated too, save for kids under 12 (really hoping the 5-11 shot gets approval before then).

Fully vaccinated people are less likely to have COVID-19 to begin with, and if someone is asymptomatically infected they’re less likely to pass it on. If we assume the Saddledome’s vaccinated population will reflect the demographics of Alberta, then this is basically a test of ~85% herd immunity (likely better than that even), which ignores that there are probably a lot of people who won’t take their under-12 kids to a game if they aren’t vaccinated out of an abundance of caution.

I appreciate where Fuzz is coming from, but the risk just isn’t there. The game is also just shy of two months out, a lot can and should improve by that point.

[PepsiFree]

I also see where Fuzz is coming from, but I don’t think (in this scenario) it’s actually a personal responsibility scenario. Really, there should not be crowds at the games as the risk factor is probably too high because of unvaccinated attendees. Those people have no personal responsibility and the barrier of entry isn’t strong enough to ensure they don’t get it.

But for the vaccinated individual, I don’t see an issue on a personal level. It is tough though. You’re going to something that shouldn’t be available in the first place with current case levels (until they are able to better restrict unvaccinated folks).

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Cliff mentioned covid anxiety, everybody drink!


I don’t know anyone who was hosting in house events until about July when they were all double vaxxed.

Even with them being vaxxed, most people I know chose to associate outdoors when possible or sit on patios.

I don’t find OP’s claim to be odd at all.

Socializing between bubble households was allowed (and encouraged by health professionals) last summer and fall.

If most of the people you know have been voluntarily exceeding public health guidelines for 18 months, and were not doing dinners, birthday parties, etc even when they were allowed, then no, they’re not typical.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Socializing between bubble households was allowed (and encouraged by health professionals) last summer and fall.

If most of the people you know have been voluntarily exceeding public health guidelines for 18 months, and were not doing dinners, birthday parties, etc even when they were allowed, then no, they’re not typical.

You seem to be having trouble with the “outside” angle here. Basically everyone I know has preferred outside and patio dining to doing things indoors, so the majority of social events I’ve attended have been (you guessed it) outdoors. I don’t believe that makes me isolated. Fresh air is good for you. Get some.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Socializing between bubble households was allowed (and encouraged by health professionals) last summer and fall.

If most of the people you know have been voluntarily exceeding public health guidelines for 18 months, and were not doing dinners, birthday parties, etc even when they were allowed, then no, they’re not typical.

Single household social gatherings of your household and one other, with vaccinated individuals, is the current public health recommendation in Alberta…

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Single household social gatherings of your household and one other, with vaccinated individuals, is the current public health recommendation in Alberta…

But you can get ten fully vaccinated people from as many households as you have people together for a dinner, birthday party, etc. at a restaurant all sitting at the same table.

Don't worry, they all wore their masks from the door to the table, so all good.