[News] Giordano left unprotected in expansion draft

[djsFlames]

God please let's not send futures and prospects just to retain a year of Gio.

Move on. If he's still got any game, sign him in summer '22.

[Major Major]

It would be awesome to have all that cap space, but I think the timing of losing that 6.75 might be better next year.

If they allocate that money in UFA and replace Gio, it's going to have term and to get a player of Gio's level, you are overpaying for him to be here. I am thinking about a guy like Martinez. I think you can get that guy on a 4 year deal at 5 mil, but then regret it later.

If Gio stays, you get to transfer that money to Gaudreau/Tkachuk raises assuming they're here. If that is done correctly, it is pretty clean living cap wise.

Having Mange, Gaudreau and Tkachuk to re-sign when you just handed out 10s of millions of UFA dollars the year before could be a bad spot. I guess it all just depends on what they do tradewise in the next week.

Overall though, if you got an opportunity to keep Gio with a spend of a couple of B level assets, I would do it no question. Doesn't sound like that will be an option.

[Derek Sutton]

The only way I see giving up an asset to protect Gio, is if you can attain a better asset for him come TDL. Protect him by giving Seattle a 2nd, and then trade him for a first at the TDL, that makes sense. But there are no guarantees, so I would have a hard time giving up anything more then a 3rd rounder to shield him from Seattle.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by devo22

EDIT: or is your argument that with Bennett and Giordano unprotected, they'd have chosen Bennett over Gio? I doubt that. Gio is a culture setter and a prime deadline trade bait for Seattle ... Bennett did nothing in Calgary that would make Seattle think twice.

Yes, that is my argument and I believe that if Bennett and Gio were unprotected, they would pick Bennett even without his resurgence in Florida. Florida gave what is essentially two 2nd round picks for him, so I see no reason to think that Seattle wouldn't have taken him for free.

[djsFlames]

And no, no team will pay a 1st+ for him at the deadline.

Classic last minute over valuing of a player in the face of losing him..

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

You’d be okay trading $6.75 in cap space, a 2nd, a prospect, and Kylington for one year of a 38 year old coming off a bad season? When the team is nowhere close to contending? You might get your wish because that sounds very much to me like a Calgary Flames thing to do.

Not following. I am not in favour of sending anything to protect Gio.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Calgaryguy73

I think this is just another example of roster mismanagement by BT. If it was a foregone conclusion that Gio was going to be exposed why didn't he trade him at the deadline rather than hoping for a miraculous run to make the playoffs? Everyone gets on Feaster for Iggy, but this is worse!

Agreed...

not sure what they were thinking at that point in time. Standings on April 12th two days before the TDL:

GP PTs
MTL 39 45
CGY 41 37

https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/2021/4/12/

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

And no, no team will pay a 1st+ for him at the deadline.

Classic last minute over valuing of a player in the face of losing him..

David Savard returned a 1st and a 3rd.
Nick Foligno returned a 1st and a 4th.

Mark Giordano with 50% retained would return a 1st without issue. The only complication may have been his NTC where he can name ONLY 19 teams he can be traded to.

You're just undervaluing Gio because we're likely losing him...for nothing.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Still think Treliving buckles and sends a 3rd to Seattle for them to pick Kylington.

There is not a team, other than Vegas, that is giving Seattle less than a 2nd round pick.

Do you figure Seattle feels particularly bad about Calgary's lack of success that they would give them a break?

Every team giving up a player to Seattle would gladly give a 3rd round pick and their 7th best journeyman defenseman or Kylington that they could have picked up on waivers, but would have had to keep him on their NHL roster so gave it a pass.

Is Gio worth a 1st, or 2 2nds? ... I guess the Kraken will find out at the TDL.

[MrMike]

Let Gio get picked, sign Adam Larsson and Edler for less cap. Gather all the Swedes.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

David Savard returned a 1st and a 3rd.
Nick Foligno returned a 1st and a 4th.

Mark Giordano with 50% retained would return a 1st without issue. The only complication may have been his NTC.

You're just undervaluing Gio because we're likely losing him.

Risk of injury, or steep decline in play also need to be considered. I think a 1st at the TDL is realistic, but a gamble at this point. And not worth it to protect him with first to so you can try to obtain a first for him at the TDL. Also, the Flames 1st could realistically be a top 5 pick this year based on how last year went...

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

David Savard returned a 1st and a 3rd.
Nick Foligno returned a 1st and a 4th.

Mark Giordano with 50% retained would return a 1st without issue. The only complication may have been his NTC.

You're just undervaluing Gio because we're likely losing him.

And you're equating two completely different deadlines. We have no idea what the upcoming TDL is going to look like. We have no idea what teams will be looking for, and we have no idea whether Gio's game will be at a high level or not. We also don't know if he'll be healthy. We have no idea what could happen between now and the deadline, so to project that we'll be able to get anything at this point is really premature. Gio could get hurt and then be worth nothing at the deadline. We just don't know.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

There's the rub. The retained money. Not sure the Flames want to do that, even if it is short term pain. You have to retain to get full value out of the player and I don't see Calgary doing that. I'd let him go then turn that $6.75M into two players that can help.

I'm saying Vegas can do that.

Makes it a no brainer that they take Giordano.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

David Savard returned a 1st and a 3rd.
Nick Foligno returned a 1st and a 4th.

Mark Giordano with 50% retained would return a 1st without issue. The only complication may have been his NTC where he can name ONLY 19 teams he can be traded to.

You're just undervaluing Gio because we're likely losing him...for nothing.

Even if that were the case, do you see BT making that happen if he gave up assets to have Seattle pass on him?

He would 100% keep him for a run at playoffs. That's the MO here.

I'll take the cap space. We can improve our RW and fetch a steady yet unspectacular replacement probably.

[loob job]

I'm not upset that Gio is available. I understand it's a business and we need to move on from him. Lets put that money to use somewhere else.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

And no, no team will pay a 1st+ for him at the deadline.

Classic last minute over valuing of a player in the face of losing him..

His value will 100% be determined by how well he plays this year. If he plays like the he did at the end of last season, I could see a first. If he plays like he did at the beginning of last season, probably not.

[bubbsy]

It is unfortunate to lose Giordano for nothing, but it's part of the expansion draft situation.

Losing the team's best Dman, and arguably a top3 to top5 player, is one thing, but not using it as more fuel driving towards a rebuild is even more painful to me as a fan.

[DionTheDman]

Even if you could have found a taker for him, you'd be taking salary back. If SEA does take him, that's a clean break and a big bump in cap space. I think it'd be great if they took him outright.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Obviously this ship has sailed, but if he was left unprotected, would the Kraken would have for sure taken Tanev - even with his longer term contract?

Would it have been cheaper for us to make a deal for the Kraken not to take Tanev (because of his contract) than not to take Gio?

Tanev has more value than Giordano, and is a better player at this point. It would probably cost more to have them not take Tanev. And why would we take that risk and expose the better player, who also has a better cap hit?

[dustygoon]

It's so classic flames. Our team sucked recently, but we may end up losing one of the most valuable players in the league that wasn't protected.