11-26-2019, 01:36 PM
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#301
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Calgary - Transplanted Manitoban
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
Former Canes player:
Michal Jordan
@TheBigCzech23
1) Never wish anything bad to the person but you get what you deserve Bill.After years making it to the NHL had experience with the worst coach ever by far.Kicking me and punching other player to the head during the game...
Michal Jordan
@TheBigCzech23
2) then pretending like nothing happened...couldnt believe my eyes what can happen in the best league.. happy that i dont have to go thrue that stuff on daily basics anymore.
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Originally Posted by Incogneto
Peters (like Babcock) is a bad guy. I expect the team to go on a run now that his black cloud has been lifted.
...Some of the stories from Carolina were inexcusable, too. I know from a very good source that they team HATED him. (Mod can PM me for source).
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These are some of the stories I heard about....
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11-26-2019, 01:36 PM
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#302
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Sara Civ
@SaraCivian
One Hurricanes source: “Karma’s a bitch”
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11-26-2019, 01:36 PM
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#303
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary Satellite Community
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Originally Posted by dino7c
Yeah none of their coaches have ever done anything wrong
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Never suggested they didnt. Just the shoe is on the other foot this time unfortunately.
This has been a crummy 7-8 months in Flames history.
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11-26-2019, 01:38 PM
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#304
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Peterborough, ON
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This season is truly the darkest timeline.
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11-26-2019, 01:38 PM
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#305
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Franchise Player
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It's 1:35pm as I type this. To me it's pretty surreal that 24 hours ago the team was getting ready to play the Pens and this wasn't anywhere near anyone's radar (other than maybe Aliu's).
I'm glad it's come to the forefront. But it's also terrifying to see someone's career ruined in less then 24 hours from someone's tweet.
Not saying that Aliu wasn't right in doing it (absolutely a good thing he did it). But as an observer of how much social media is now ingrained in our daily lives and how easy it is for someone's message to reach the masses, it's absolutely wild to see this unfold in real-time.
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11-26-2019, 01:38 PM
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#306
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#1 Goaltender
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Seems like a blessing in disguise for the org honestly
Get him the hell away from the team before he burns anymore bridges with toxic behavior
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11-26-2019, 01:39 PM
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#307
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Racki
This whole deal with Babcock and Peters thing made me think. As much of a hardass and task master as Bill Belichik is I don't remember hearing stories like this come out about him. I think you can be that no nonsense, all business kind of coach without being hateful.
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Belichik seems to view players as interchangeable pieces that serve a purpose. He'd throw the devil in as line backer and praise him if he had a value contract haha.
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11-26-2019, 01:39 PM
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#308
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If he wanted to change the music in the room, he should have just gotten Dion Phaneuf
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11-26-2019, 01:39 PM
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#309
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by rubecube
This is such a hilariously bad, nonsensical take. Have you not been paying attention to the past 5 years? Does Kevin Spacey's name ring any bells?
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Kevin Spacey raped men. You know, an illegal act. Now using the N word is equitable to a proven history of buggery? I think you've allowed your pendulum to swing a little to the extreme?
Again, I am against the use of the word, but an incident from a decade ago, while working for another team, in another league, makes this very different IMO. If he had said it while working for the Flames, nail him to a cross. But he hasn't displayed any of these negative behaviors while employed by the Flames. That's where I have troubles with this. I think he's a tool bag, but I can only judge him by what he's done while with the Flames.
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11-26-2019, 01:40 PM
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#310
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Realtor®
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
I wonder if we see a happier Gaudreau now?
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How did this impact Gaudreau? I felt Peters was overly nice to him rewarding him with ice while he played terrible.
Maybe the new coach lets Johny be a defensive liability and structures the entire line around Johny's urge to leave the defensive zone early?
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11-26-2019, 01:40 PM
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#311
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Moscow
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Originally Posted by New Era
The business where I can't hold an employee accountable for something they did a decade ago while working for another company. If the individual got through the vetting process and the company was fine with the hire, then we can only judge the employee on their behavior during the time with our interest. Unless a law has been broken, and in this instance a law has not been broken, then I see no reasonable expectation for firing the guy. I don't know where you work, but if you fire someone without cause that leaves you open to a pretty good lawsuit. Considering the possible outcomes as a result of the Flames actions, this could be a pretty good lawsuit.
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There are no concrete rules for determining cause for termination. Each case is determined in its own particular circumstances. An employer may dismiss an employee for cause (without notice or pay in lieu thereof) if the employee undermines the employment relationship by conduct that is fundamentally inconsistent with the employee's obligations to the employer or conduct that is substantially prejudicial to the employer's business such that the employee's conduct causes damage to the employer's business or reputation or causes harm to the employer's customers. I see no reason why conduct prejudicial to an employer's business could not have occurred in the past (just as it may occur while an employee is off-duty.)
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Originally Posted by New Era
Do I find the use of the N word unacceptable? Yes, I do. But I continually hear the use of the word by blacks in conversations with other blacks, especially athletes. So that really weakens the argument of the unacceptability of the word IMO. I wince every time I hear it, but I find the double standard to its use unacceptable as well. No one should be using it regardless of color or ethnicity.
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I guess this could be true if one completely ignored hundreds of years of historical context?
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Originally Posted by New Era
If you fire Peters for using the N word a decade ago, you establish a very slippery slope. How long before you have to fire someone for calling someone a homosexual slur (heard on a near ice mic this week during a game)? It's a tough standard to set, especially when there is no one in the Flames organization that can substantiate the claim or has seen similar behavior. I'm all for firing the guy, as I never wanted him hired in the first place, but this just seems like the wrong reason to do it.
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As noted above, courts consider these cases in their individual circumstances. There is therefore little risk of a "slippery slope".
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11-26-2019, 01:40 PM
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#312
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
If he wanted to change the music in the room, he should have just gotten Dion Phaneuf
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No more of that crack.... music
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11-26-2019, 01:41 PM
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#313
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Scoring Winger
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This is wild. Cue a winning streak
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11-26-2019, 01:41 PM
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#314
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
If he wanted to change the music in the room, he should have just gotten Dion Phaneuf
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Dion only changes the volume.
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11-26-2019, 01:41 PM
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#315
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by New Era
Kevin Spacey raped men. You know, an illegal act. Now using the N word is equitable to a proven history of buggery? I think you've allowed your pendulum to swing a little to the extreme?
Again, I am against the use of the word, but an incident from a decade ago, while working for another team, in another league, makes this very different IMO. If he had said it while working for the Flames, nail him to a cross. But he hasn't displayed any of these negative behaviors while employed by the Flames. That's where I have troubles with this. I think he's a tool bag, but I can only judge him by what he's done while with the Flames.
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Don't say that in the other thread...
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11-26-2019, 01:41 PM
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#316
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Travis Munroe
How did this impact Gaudreau? I felt Peters was overly nice to him rewarding him with ice while he played terrible.
Maybe the new coach lets Johny be a defensive liability and structures the entire line around Johny's urge to leave the defensive zone early?
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As I was saying earlier, watch out for the Flames they are gonna play some unreal hockey moving forward. The group is now gonna be very loose and relaxed.
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11-26-2019, 01:41 PM
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#317
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Looooooooooooooch
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Originally Posted by Huntingwhale
It's 1:35pm as I type this. To me it's pretty surreal that 24 hours ago the team was getting ready to play the Pens and this wasn't anywhere near anyone's radar (other than maybe Aliu's).
I'm glad it's come to the forefront. But it's also terrifying to see someone's career ruined in less then 24 hours from someone's tweet.
Not saying that Aliu wasn't right in doing it (absolutely a good thing he did it). But as an observer of how much social media is now ingrained in our daily lives and how easy it is for someone's message to reach the masses, it's absolutely wild to see this unfold in real-time.
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Bad people (racists/emotional/physical/etc abusers) can't hide anymore.
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11-26-2019, 01:41 PM
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#318
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Travis Munroe
How did this impact Gaudreau? I felt Peters was overly nice to him rewarding him with ice while he played terrible.
Maybe the new coach lets Johny be a defensive liability and structures the entire line around Johny's urge to leave the defensive zone early?
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Every coach in the NHL does this with star offensive players
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11-26-2019, 01:42 PM
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#319
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Moscow
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Quote:
Originally Posted by New Era
Kevin Spacey raped men. You know, an illegal act. Now using the N word is equitable to a proven history of buggery? I think you've allowed your pendulum to swing a little to the extreme?
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That doesn't mean what you think it means (I hope).
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Originally Posted by New Era
Again, I am against the use of the word, but an incident from a decade ago, while working for another team, in another league, makes this very different IMO. If he had said it while working for the Flames, nail him to a cross. But he hasn't displayed any of these negative behaviors while employed by the Flames. That's where I have troubles with this. I think he's a tool bag, but I can only judge him by what he's done while with the Flames.
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Oh boy, now you've done it...
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11-26-2019, 01:42 PM
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#320
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Travis Munroe
How did this impact Gaudreau? I felt Peters was overly nice to him rewarding him with ice while he played terrible.
Maybe the new coach lets Johny be a defensive liability and structures the entire line around Johny's urge to leave the defensive zone early?
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Maybe a player's on-ice performance is affected by more than the amount of ice time he gets and his line deployment?
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