Francis: Tire Fire

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Agree 100%

Do those 3 things.

Hire a proven coach.

Move Stone for some assets that can help get a top 6 forward (even if it's just cap space to sign one).

Promote Mangiapane, Klimchuk, Andersson.

I don't want a retread coach. If he wasn't doing a good job elsewhere, I don't want him. I want someone new. My choice would be Ryan Huska.

[1qqaaz]

I think Huska should be fired along with the rest of the coaches

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Firstly, yes all day long on the coach. This guy is awful.

A top 6 forward? It will take more than that. If the Flames are a good team they only have 3-4.

Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk...

Backlund - Frolik - x is a third line on a good team.

Make your case that either Backlund is, or Bennett could be a top 6 guy.

Some people considering if Hamilton should be traded are thinking about what it would take to get a legit top winger.

Stone may create cap space but he doesn’t get you a top winger. Not even if you throw in all of your garbage like Brouwer, Stajan, Shinkaruk, whatever Brodie has become under Gulutzan, etc.

And why Hamilton? Because the question is legitimate if he has the compete to play D well. Everybody knows he can score. Nobody knows if he can play hard enough to defend at clutch times when he is matched against a hard opponent. Again, Boston fans asked those questions. Dougie does not play like Chara, Bergeron, Krejci, Marchand. Can he be coached to? Or is that an inner fire?

Hamilton is an asset with a value. The flames need a correspondingly valuable asset that is not coming back for their garbage.

Hint: If recardodw thanks your post, you've made an error in your analysis somewhere.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Teroy

I don't want a retread coach. If he wasn't doing a good job elsewhere, I don't want him. I want someone new. My choice would be Ryan Huska.

I had the same idea a few months ago

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Time for some call ups from Stockton:

Huska to take over from GG.

Magnipane reunited with Jankowski and Hathaway

Backlund put on the RW with Monahan Gaudreau

Tkachuk with Bennett and Ferland


Huska seems to understand defensemen better than most minds in the NHL.

If someone is going to get Brodie, Hamonic and Hamilton playing close to their potential I would put my money on Huska.

[CF84]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Hint: If recardodw thanks your post, you've made an error in your analysis somewhere.

Hahaha! Yes!!! I was just going to say this.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Hint: If recardodw thanks your post, you've made an error in your analysis somewhere.

That’s just, like, your opinion, man.

Respectfully, I don’t really give a flying crap what you think if you don’t want to be constructive.

I see people piling on this guy. I think it unnecessarily drags down a pretty darn good site.

Here are some key points in my analysis:
- the Flames have a lot of holes.
- Dougie is a valuable asset, likely coveted by other teams.
- nobody is gifting the Flames a top line winger for their garbage

Tell me where I am off instead of a lame drive by.

Fact is that even Wayne Gretzky got traded. Surely Dougie isn’t as good of a D man as Gretzky was a C.

You just can’t be such a crap team and fall in love with all of the key players. Something is actually broken.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

That’s just, like, your opinion, man.

Respectfully, I don’t really give a flying crap what you think if you don’t want to be constructive.

I see people piling on this guy. I think it unnecessarily drags down a pretty darn good site.

Here are some key points in my analysis:
- the Flames have a lot of holes.
- Dougie is a valuable asset, likely coveted by other teams.
- nobody is gifting the Flames a top line winger for their garbage

Tell me where I am off instead of a lame drive by.

Fact is that even Wayne Gretzky got traded. Surely Dougie isn’t as good of a D man as Gretzky was a C.

You just can’t be such a crap team and fall in love with all of the key players. Something is actually broken.

Sometimes I like to be constructive. Sometimes I like to go for the cheap joke. I chose the latter this time.

Ricardodw is a Jets fan troll who likes to stir up trouble with his ramblings, and deserves all the piling on he gets.

As for your points, they're fine. Personally, I think the Flames have less holes than this horrible coaching staff has made it look like they have. Replace the coaches, tinker with things in the bottom 6, and re-evaluate the rest after we see what a new coach can get out of them.

I think Dougie is too valuable to move for help on the wings, then you're just opening up a huge hole on the defense. And that hole is much harder to plug than the scoring winger hole.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

How much patience should fans have? This team hasnt done anything lately. This team has been mediocre for decades minus an exciting run in 2004. The Flames have some interesting pieces but so do a lot of other mediocre teams. The Flames also have a lot of big holes, maybe more holes than interesting pieces.

Sunk cost fallacy in a way. The amount of patience fans should have with *this* management team has nothing to do with how many years of mediocrity we've had.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Dougie may never be a stalwart defender, but he gets the job done most of the time. If he could cut down on penalties that would be great.

But he provides a lot of offense to an offensively starved team. If you're trying to improve your offense by acquiring a winger, you don't trade away offensive players. For that reason, unless Hamilton nails your wife and kills your dog, you keep him and hope that a new coach can get a slightly better game out of him...because that's all that really needs to happen with Hamilton...get slightly better. He's already very good, but he's not perfect, sooooo let's trade him.

No. You don't do that. You keep your core together, try and add one more core piece if you can, but if you can't you try to find some quality supplemental players.

[Psytic]

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[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I think Huska should be fired along with the rest of the coaches

Amen brother. Huska is hot garbage.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I was just mimicking what I thought was the perfect response posted above about Johnny. Who is the backbone of our offence. Gio is the backbone of the team.

What backbone does this team have? We survived a few seasons ago with out him for an extended period. Were not getting that great of an asset back for Brodie. Better Gio than Hamilton or Johnny like some posters are suggesting. He's probably the biggest asset we can trade that doesn't hamper us for the future. Bonus we get out of his contract.

[blender]

Gio for Marner. Add picks/prospects to even it out.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Psytic

What backbone does this team have? We survived a few seasons ago with out him for an extended period. Were not getting that great of an asset back for Brodie. Better Gio than Hamilton or Johnny like some posters are suggesting. He's probably the biggest asset we can trade that doesn't hamper us for the future. Bonus we get out of his contract.

Just to confirm, you're referencing his Norris calibre season when the Flames had to scramble to try and fill the huge hole he left behind?

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Just to confirm, you're referencing his Norris calibre season when the Flames had to scramble to try and fill the huge hole he left behind?

Vegas and many teams make due without someone of Gio's calibre. I think he would get a pretty good haul. You could sell him to a contender in the East for a good young RW.

Weber at 32 got Subban. Erat at 32 got Forsberg. Timonen at 32 got a first. Poile consistently spins old timers into younger players and reloads on the fly. We can only hope Tre can be as good.

You look at some of the better defence man in the league, a lot of them are in their 30's. Brett Burns is 33. Big Buff is 32. Suter is 33. I think Gio at 34 still would be highly coveted. If we want someone thats going to have an impact without trading away our young stars and while having no first round picks to trade, then Gio+ makes the most sense rather than Hamilton or Johnny who are the future or Brodie who gets you nothing at this point.

I think we could learn from Poile here. Its a shame Brodie hasn't stepped it up like Josi or maybe we could of been more comfortable moving Gio earlier.

Edit: Dan Boyle in his 30's also got a first rounder and Matt Carle

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by blender

Gio for Marner. Add picks/prospects to even it out.

No, we can't afford to add our 2019 1st.

[GioforPM]

I understand not wanting a retread coach, but if it's true that there's an attitude problem on the team, you need a guy with a ton of credibility who is "bigger" than the players. If Auston Matthews and Babcock are at odds and Matthews isn't buying in, who do you think wins? Babcock, and Matthews knows it.

This is a year where a handful of pretty good "name" coaches might be available, so they should go for it.

[Strange Brew]

This teams needs a coach who has a reputation for winning so they trust the “system” when things go awry on them. They seem like a classic case of a team needing a “name” coach.

[taco.vidal]

Another loss. Another game without scoring a goal.
But patience right. Cant fire the coach because we need continuity. Cant trade anyone because all our players seem untouchable to CPers. Cant trade Gio because he is the leader and backbone of this spineless, sinking ship. Cant trade Hamilton because he is good. Cant trade Brodie because his value is low right now. Cant trade Bennett because it would be admitting he is a bust.

The cherry on this crap sandwich that Treliving has cooked up this season will be when the Flames 1st rounder wins the lottery. Garth Snow should personally thank Brad Treliving, Brian Burke, and the rest of the Flames organization when he is at the podium selecting Dhalin 1st overall.

Patience, right boys?