[Rumour] Are the Flames eyeing a couple names on the Sabres?

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

How many Jay Feaster trades gained a positive reaction from the fan base? Cammalleri for Bourque was the only one that comes to mind. Most of Treliving’s deals have been well received.

McDavid is missing the playoffs and an expansion team is leading the west. Outside of Nashville the west is wide open and the Flames would be wise to make a push

Fair points above. I acknowledged the current administration not being shy to make a big move. I just cautioned expectations because the reality of trading a Fox and/or Valimaki and/or Anderson has the potential to shorten our window and limit our ceiling. It is an extremely complicated tradeoff that the management team is trying to perform. An overpayment for a player that doesn't work could backfire significantly as early as next year if we don't make the dance this year and the traded player becomes a serviceable player at entry level salary.

[442scotty]

After looking at the stats for the players on Buffalo I’m thinking there’s not a lot of gold in them there hills.. I wouldn’t sell the farm for anyone on the team not named Eichel. Think about it. All the bad habits these guys have picked up and the time required to turn someone around if possible... maybe someone needs a change? Buffalo is going to have to take a big discount in my mind to get any of, say, Bennett, Brodie, Fox in exchange for their damaged goods

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by tkflames

Fair points above. I acknowledged the current administration not being shy to make a big move. I just cautioned expectations because the reality of trading a Fox and/or Valimaki and/or Anderson has the potential to shorten our window and limit our ceiling. It is an extremely complicated tradeoff that the management team is trying to perform. An overpayment for a player that doesn't work could backfire significantly as early as next year if we don't make the dance this year and the traded player becomes a serviceable player at entry level salary.

I absolutely agree. I am actually very much against moving Andersson or Valimaki as I believe both are Flames next season. Andersson might be a full time Flame tomorrow if Stone is trades (doubtful)

Fox is risky to move but I am also not convinced he is going to be anything in the NHL. The Flames have a window that is arguably open now and they need goal scoring.

I trust they won’t make a move involving Fox that only impacts the short term.

The one thing I am somewhat preparing for is an extended Evander Kane on the Flames. I can see how a lot of people are against that. If the Flames trade Fox for a signed Kane then I will get behind it but Kane will need to deliver and this team will need to make the playoffs

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Again, Okposo has produced at a pace more than Backlund... playing in Buffalo without Tavares.

52 point pace vs 53 point pace over the last 2 years. Backlund is a year younger, and arguably a driver on his line that he centers.

The bigger issue is Okposo's lack of production at even strength. He has 20 even strength points this year, 22 last year. Compare that to Backlund's 25 even strength this year and 35 year last year. While not contributing defensively nearly as much Backlund.

He plays with Eichel, O'Reilly and Reinhart on the PP on a stacked first unit power play (which was actually the very best in the league last year).

Okposo has benefit from playing with two top tier centers in the league and has really only shown to be capable of producing (at least in terms of his contract) on their wing.

Away from Tavares and Eichel his offensive stats are really really crappy for a 6M offensive player.

[Fire]

Andersson should be in the NHL next season but almost zero chance Valimaki will be ready for the NHL. He will probably need a couple of seasons in the AHL first.

[Caged Great]

For me, what I would like to see is

Brodie + Ferland + Brouwer + something (In the neighbourhood of Fox/Dube/Gillies etc.) for Okposo + Kane

Bring Andersson up

Set lines like this

Gaudreau-Monahan-Okposo
Tkachuk-Backlund-Kane
Bennett-Jankowski-Frolik
Lazar-Stajan-Hathaway + misc

Gio-Hamilton
Andersson-Hamonic
Kulak-Stone

[Classic_Sniper]

The more I think about it, the more I think Treliving is just entering the discussion to drive up the price. I think he’s heard San Jose was in the mix and so why not throw your hat in there too to make things more expensive for your rivals.

It honestly doesn’t make sense for us to enter a legitimate bidding war when we’re missing how many draft picks, 1 first rounder and 3 seconds? Like why sell the farm when we’re not contenders for a cup?

Boston, Tampa, Nashville, Winnipeg, Las Vegas, Washington and Pittsburgh. These are the true contenders, why outbid them when we don’t even have the picks? It’d be absolutely foolish.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

The more I think about it, the more I think Treliving is just entering the discussion to drive up the price. I think he’s heard San Jose was in the mix and so why not throw your hat in there too to make things more expensive for your rivals.

It honestly doesn’t make sense for us to enter a legitimate bidding war when we’re missing how many draft picks, 1 first rounder and 3 seconds? Like why sell the farm when we’re not contenders for a cup?

Boston, Tampa, Nashville, Winnipeg, Las Vegas, Washington and Pittsburgh. These are the true contenders, why outbid them when we don’t even have the picks? It’d be absolutely foolish.

This may be the first time in a few weeks I actually agree with what you are saying haha

But yeah I don't see the flames making a big splash, Kane would demand more in salary than the flames internally want to pay and i doubt there's much appetite to part with our good prospects.

Hopefully tre can drive up the prices or at least keep teams tied up until the deadline passes uneventfully

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

For me, what I would like to see is

Brodie + Ferland + Brouwer + something (In the neighbourhood of Fox/Dube/Gillies etc.) for Okposo + Kane

Bring Andersson up

Set lines like this

Gaudreau-Monahan-Okposo
Tkachuk-Backlund-Kane
Bennett-Jankowski-Frolik
Lazar-Stajan-Hathaway + misc

Gio-Hamilton
Andersson-Hamonic
Kulak-Stone

I tried to quote from my phone and it thanked you.....
Ferland and Kane are very similar players. Give Kane the edge for star potential but not to the tune of Brodie and a top prospect. I get the dump of Brouwer and addition of Okoposo is nice but what if next October Kane is gone and we traded Ferland, Brodie, and top prospect for Okoposo.... we would want Tre fired overnight!

[Travis Munroe]

The only thing that makes me think you trade a guy like Ferland is the fact he was showcased on the top line most of the season and has good numbers. This will not be the spot he plays on a deep run nor will he have the same points without top line minutes. I would hate to see Ferland go more than just about any other guy but his stock can’t possibly be any higher right now and when he slides into a 3rd line role moving forward, we may regret not selling him as a top line winger who can play a truculent game.

[savardandjokinen]

Only guy I'm really interested in from Buffalo is Reinhart, because we can control his contract moving forward and he's versatile, while also being a top 6 player. I'd send back a d prospect and an okay prospect for him, although I'm not sure Buffalo takes it.

Like Kylington/Fox and Klimchuk for Reinhart, but Buffalo might not take it.

If we get him, we can do this once everyone is healthy

Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland (i think they end up back together at some point)
Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik
Bennett-Jankowski-Reinhart
Versteeg-Stajan-Brouwer
Lazar, Hathaway

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by camm13

What your proposing would not even get you Kane, let alone ROR and Nylander on top.

Frolik on the market probably gets you a 1st and a prospect

Fox gets you a 2nd

Bennett gets you a 1st and a prospect

Lazar gets you a 4th

I suspect 2 1sts, a 2nd, a 4th and 2 prospects gets you Kane.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

For me, what I would like to see is

Brodie + Ferland + Brouwer + something (In the neighbourhood of Fox/Dube/Gillies etc.) for Okposo + Kane

Bring Andersson up

Set lines like this

Gaudreau-Monahan-Okposo
Tkachuk-Backlund-Kane
Bennett-Jankowski-Frolik
Lazar-Stajan-Hathaway + misc

Gio-Hamilton
Andersson-Hamonic
Kulak-Stone

Okposo makes 6 million for 4 more years after this. I'd be weary of trading for him unless salary is retained.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Okposo makes 6 million for 4 more years after this. I'd be weary of trading for him unless salary is retained.

Five more years. Five more years after this one, and he turns 30 in April.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Okposo makes 6 million for 4 more years after this. I'd be weary of trading for him unless salary is retained.

Yeah I feel the Flames get out of Brouwer but get Okposo while also giving up a top 4 D and a guy who has been a top 6 forward for a pending UFA who is barely outproducing Ferland. On top of it all we give up a top prospect.

[the_only_turek_fan]

They could be scouting Reinhart for a Bennett swap.

[Zoller]

I could see Buffalo having interest in Adam Fox

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by It's a great day 4 hockey

Here's my thoughts on a deal with Buffalo;

Bennett, Brodie, Fox, and Brouwer for Kane, Reinhart and O'Reilly (with 15% retained). If no O'Reilly then no Fox and we get Okposo at 50%. Sign Kane to no more than 4 years at current rate and he gets nothing as far as a no trade.

Just a thought.

Nice thought, but from the Sabres stand point, no GM with two brain cells to rub together is going to take that.

Fox is arguably the best asset in the bunch. Brouwer has control with a no move & if asked to waive his clause to go to buffalo (!?!) would probably say 'go to hell'. Brodie & Bennett.......yeesh. What are you getting? Bennett is a complete question mark, and Brodie looks like a guy just going through the motions, happy to collect his 4.6/year thank you very much.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Of our defensive prospects the one I’d be most inclined to move is Fox, and it has nothing to do with his college status. I look at the potential in each player and just see Fox as the one with the least potential to be a big contributor. I rank the young defensive prospects in order, Andresson, Valimaki, Kylington, then Fox.

I think Andersson has the most upside in all aspects. He plays a solid defensive game and is excellent in making things happen on the offensive side of the puck. Of the four prospects he has the best shot and consistently gets it through. His skating is not his biggest strength, but his positioning makes up for it. He is ready right now.

Valimaki is probably the most complete of the four. He’s got above average skills in all areas and is just solid on both sides of the puck. His shot is good and he can get it on net. His skating is good and should be a strength for him. I see him knocking on the door in training camp and making the team the following year.

Kylington has such an intriguing skill set. His skating is his greatest strength and what could get him to the NHL. The system would have to change to use this strength, which is why I am questioning if he can make the next level, with the Flames.

Fox is last in the mix, not because he is a bad prospect, just the one with the longest shot to make the NHL. Fox is undersized and is not a great skater. His defensive game is okay, but his offense is what gets people excited. My only question is does that game translate to the next level? Fox is smart, but he uses time and space to make to his plays, something that you don’t get a ton of in the NHL. He also doesn’t have a great shot, being similar to Brodie in that regard. That’s a lot working against him. Yes, he is a good prospect, but he has a long way to go. If someone is willing to assume the risk and pay you a good return, I’d be inclined to move Fox for the immediate return.

[Vinny01]

Fox and Bennett for Kane and Reinhart is workable assuming Kane re-Signs.

Personally I feel Fox has more value than Kane at the moment and Reinhart more than Benny. With Reinhart being a right shot and Kane being able to replace Bennett the deal makes sense to me