Las Vegas Shooting: 50+ Dead 500+ Injured at Jason Aldean Concert

[Muta]

Three Albertans now confirmed killed in this mass shooting, along with another two confirmed injured. Just senseless and tragic.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

CTV - Ian White @CTVIanWhite
34 y.o. Tara Roe of Okotoks, Alberta confirmed dead in Las Vegas shooting. She's survived by her husband and 2 young sons.

I just read this, how horrible.

Originally Posted by ernie

It was a horrible event and I was gutted that this happened yet again. Finding out I had a friend who was shot twice somehow still managed to make it worse. Thankfully she is "fine" and recovering.

I'm so sorry about your friend, Ernie, but grateful she is recovering and will be able to return home to friends and family. She's still going to have quite an ordeal ahead of her.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

As a hunter and a terrible shot, I disagree.

Get better.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by Barnes

Why does it matter? You can turn this gopher gun


into this easily.


The ONLY reason to do it is to make it look like an assault rifle.

And yet, the one on the bottom is no more dangerous than the one on the top. It won’t accept more bullets, it won’t shoot further and it won’t shoot faster. But because it LOOKS different, it should be subject to more restrictive laws.

Wanting restrictions and laws based on LOOKS is asinine and is why a lot of the arguments are dismissed. A lot of the AWB legislation was passed by people who don’t seem to know much about guns other than what movies show and can’t identify parts or explain why they supposedly make a gun more dangerous. The infamous barrel shroud interview comes to mind.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

And yet, the one on the bottom is no more dangerous than the one on the top. It won’t accept more bullets, it won’t shoot further and it won’t shoot faster. But because it LOOKS different, it should be subject to more restrictive laws.

Wanting restrictions and laws based on LOOKS is asinine and is why a lot of the arguments are dismissed. A lot of the AWB legislation was passed by people who don’t seem to know much about guns other than what movies show and can’t identify parts or explain why they supposedly make a gun more dangerous. The infamous barrel shroud interview comes to mind.

Uh, the 30 round banana clip doesn't make it more dangerous than the 5 round cartridge?

But, the terrorists have won, because we are talking about gun minutiae

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Uh, the 30 round banana clip doesn't make it more dangerous than the 5 round cartridge?

But, the terrorists have won, because we are talking about gun minutiae

The top one will accept the same magazines as the bottom one.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Even a hunting rifle will have a 4 bullet mag.

All guns are dangerous, and that's why in a civilized country like Canada you need a license to own and operate one, just like a car which is also dangerous.

Having a semi-auto with a 30 round mag increases the damage a gun can inflict exponentially, and these should be banned for the civilian populations.

I don't think exponentially. Wouldn't it be linearly or something?

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Get better.

Tongue-in-cheek comment aside, limiting rifles in Canada to a one shot magazine is asinine and only restricts people using them legitimately, buying them legally, and not modifying them in the first place.

I could even get behind restricting semi-autos for hunting (ie: only allow for bolt/lever/etc action), but restricting to a single cartridge and no magazine is not going to solve anything (not like there's much in Canada to solve anyway), and severely hamper anyone using them for legitimate reasons. If one doesn't get a clean shot off for any number of reasons, you're now just going to have wounded animals running around.

[chemgear]

[Northendzone]

even if the government was to really tighten up the gun marketplace in north America as a whole, I would think it would take decades for all of the guns or even a significant portion of the guns that are currently out there to get taken off the street

i wonder if there is a real workable solution to this issue?

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Uh, the 30 round banana clip doesn't make it more dangerous than the 5 round cartridge?

But, the terrorists have won, because we are talking about gun minutiae

It’s not just looks, the gun on the bottom has the stock inline with the barrel which allows quicker succession of rounds more accurately. Also, the fore grip allows the support hand to grip the weapon more efficiently, again adding accuracy and control. No, it’s not just about looks, it’s about designing a more effective shooting platform.

Edit: this critique was not for you Flash

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

even if the government was to really tighten up the gun marketplace in north America as a whole, I would think it would take decades for all of the guns or even a significant portion of the guns that are currently out there to get taken off the street

i wonder if there is a real workable solution to this issue?

You'd also have guns getting in via the black market. If you can get a kilo of cocaine into the USA, you can get a gun in. The problem is a lot harder to deal with than people are willing to admit. Legislation isn't an overnight fix.

[Bownesian]

As a gun owner and hunter, I support a full handgun ban (except for military/police), a full semi-automatic rifle ban (leaving bolt, lever etc. actions) and a ban on autoloader action shotguns (limit to pump, double or over/under).

Such a ban would leave plenty of choice for subsistence hunters and target shooters while seriously curtailing the availability of guns that allow one to get a lot of rounds off very quickly with quick reload times.

I'm feeling a bit miffed.

I like a page on Facebook (a Canadian swimwear company... surprise!) And they posted a picture of a sign that said "Sending love to Vegas" that had a bikini draped over the sign and one of the straps twirled into a heart shape. Is it just me or does any one else find this disrespectful? I think there are more professional ways of sending support than essentially making an ad out of a serious tragedy. Am I over reacting? I feel really upset about this for some reason.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

even if the government was to really tighten up the gun marketplace in north America as a whole, I would think it would take decades for all of the guns or even a significant portion of the guns that are currently out there to get taken off the street

i wonder if there is a real workable solution to this issue?

Meh, Australia has done this. It's not that hard. Look up their gun amnesty in 1996 following a mass shooting.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

I'm feeling a bit miffed.

I like a page on Facebook (a Canadian swimwear company... surprise!) And they posted a picture of a sign that said "Sending love to Vegas" that had a bikini draped over the sign and one of the straps twirled into a heart shape. Is it just me or does any one else find this disrespectful? I think there are more professional ways of sending support than essentially making an ad out of a serious tragedy. Am I over reacting? I feel really upset about this for some reason.

Sounds kind of tasteless, but we'd probably need to see the pic. Not saying that in a pervy way in case that sounds pervy.

[Sliver]

Thanks for the link. I've now seen the pic. Super tasteless.

PM sent. I do like their suits, so I don't want to totally bash them. I did comment on it. I just felt I should say my peace.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

even if the government was to really tighten up the gun marketplace in north America as a whole, I would think it would take decades for all of the guns or even a significant portion of the guns that are currently out there to get taken off the street

i wonder if there is a real workable solution to this issue?

I think most people tend to only look at the number of guns and sort of throw up hands and say "there is so many it isn't realisitc to get them off the street". And that is likely correct though I think you'd be shocked how many people would turn them in if they did a gun drive.

But what tends to get lost is that you can put in measures that limit how you transfer those guns from person to person. You need to stop the gun show crap where anyone can walk in with cash and out with whatever they want 15 minutes later. You can put in background checks no matter what. You can make people take and pass classes before they are able to get their first or more guns. You can make people purchase insurance if they own a gun. You can do a lot of things that doesn't involve actually banning more types of guns (which should happen as well IMO).

Essentially making gun ownership as hard as the steps needed to drive-purchase-lease a car would be a massive step forward...and getting your license and driving a car is not onerous.

By doing these things you put up additional hurdles for the criminal. You put up hurdle to the spur of the moment gun violence (including self harm). And maybe most importantly you give the men and women in blue more effective tools so they have a better chance to stop these things before they begin.

And most Americans agree with those things!

I would personally go much further, but those things would be a massive leap forward and your responsible gun owners (which is less than they want you to believe) wouldn't truly be affected. A small bit of inconvenience sure, but we're talking about an item that in the wrong hands can change lives forever. Inconvenience is warranted.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by blankall

You'd also have guns getting in via the black market. If you can get a kilo of cocaine into the USA, you can get a gun in. The problem is a lot harder to deal with than people are willing to admit. Legislation isn't an overnight fix.

There is no overnight fix, it will take generations. I compare it to smoking - laws got progressively tougher, people could still get them if they wanted, black markets did develop, but the main thing that happened is that smoking became socially unacceptable for the majority of people.

Societal norms and opinions changed. That has to happen wrt guns for there to be any progress, even if it takes decades.

Maybe we’ll have to pry that gun from Bubba’s cold dead hands but hopefully it will be his grandchild doing the prying and they will turn the weapon in.